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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2007, 02:49:48 pm »

KeithHernandez, I think you might be me. I've been having trouble sleeping at night, are you sure you're not my Tyler Durden?

How I picked my teams (in chronological order of me remembering that they were "my team"):

1) Mets. I think I picked this one up from my dad. He was born and raised in upstate New York. Also, as previously mentioned, the AAA affiliate for the Mets used to be located in Hampton Roads, so that went their way too.

2) Redskins. Pretty much a geographic thing there.

3) Capitals. Again, mostly geographic, and for a while their ECHL team was located in Norfolk, before the city got all uppity and wanted the team to belong to the next higher level of minor leagues. As a result, instead of feeding into the Caps system, they're now in the farm system of the Chicago Blackhawks. Smooth move, guys.

4) Basketball... eh. I was a Phoenix Suns fan around about the time Charles Barkley was playing for them. I thought he was cool as an anti-hero sort of figure. But it's never been my sport. I root against teams in the NBA, primarily the Lakers. The hell with Kobe Bryant.

5) Jennifer Capriati. But we discussed this.

6) West Coast Eagles. Flipping through channels when I was about 12 or 13 years old, I came upon this strange-ass sport that intrigued the hell out of me. Kinda like soccer, kinda like football (I hadn't been introduced to rugby yet), completely unlike either at the same time. I was fascinated... and then I realized the announcers were Australian. Then I realized that EVERYONE was Australian. I had discovered Aussie Rules Football, and there was no going back. Incidentally, the game I was watching was the 1991 Grand Final, which they lost to Hawthorn. And, in an almost shameful display, having nothing else to go on, I picked West Coast to root for over Hawthorn because... I liked their uniforms better. Turned out to be a not bad move, though. WCE has turned into one of the perennially good teams in the AFL. That led to...

7) Australia. In any kind of international competition (Olympics, various World Cups), I root for the Aussies. My paternal grandmother was Australian, and it's the part of my heritage I'm most proud of. The rest of me is German. That's boring. Half the country's got some German in them. But Australian... that's a bit more unique.

8) Tony Stewart. I fought against NASCAR for-fuck*ng-ever. Hicks driving in circles, etc. But all of my friends at work were into it, and I couldn't take part in their conversations without at least some passing knowledge. So I sat down one day and watched a race from beginning to end in earnest, and found myself really, really enjoying it. When I realized I was going to have to support someone, I chose the nummatwunnahoamdeepashevaley for three reasons: a) none of my friends rooted for him, b) he was a known winner - not like choosing to root for some guy that doesn't even qualify half the time, and c) he can be a bit of an entertaining asshole, which appealed to me. Over time, I learned other things that reinforced that I picked the right guy - he drives for Joe Gibbs Racing (see #2), he's left-handed, has a chihuahua for a pet. Damn, we're practically brothers! He's a Colts fan, but you know, no one's perfect.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2007, 04:07:37 pm »

I don't follow baseball or basketball. I grew up in AK, so you pretty much pick your own favorite team if you are from there. I got into the Bolts in about 78 or 79, just as they were really ascendant with Dan Fouts, Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson. Then they got Kellen Winslow, and they were just a lot of fun to watch. Red Wings was pretty much just because my brother likes the Blackhawks.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2007, 04:54:57 pm »

A's, Forty-Niners, Stealth, Sharks, USA & Aussies in the Olympics - mine are all purely geographic.
Don't like pro Basketball, and college sports are too complex (in terms of organization) and too ephemeral (in terms of talent) for me to develop an interest in any specific team.  Maybe if I get around to grad school one of these days.

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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2007, 06:25:49 pm »

Baseball's the only sport I follow religiously and... my association with the Mets is, as is clear from my name and icon, primarily forged by the fact that my hometown had their short-season single-A minor league team from 1977 to 1988... a period of time which included the first nine years of my life.

After that, in football I casually follow the Bills, as an Central New Yorker they were the closest NFL franchise and there's pretty much no other reason than that... they were the easiest team to take a local bus tour to see.

In basketball, I was a very casual Lakers fan as a kid, because I was raised to hate and fear Manhattan and LA seemed like the opposite of that but... I don't follow the NBA much at all.

In hockey, I deeply loved watching minor league hockey in the arena but NHL on television bores the ever living shit out of me... but I suppose I am loosely a Sabres fan by geographic default.

In college sports, where I grew up, you pretty much had to be a Syracuse fan because they were the only major Division-1-A school within a three or four hour drive of Little Falls. I also attended Syracuse and... I casually follow the basketball team but have a love-hate relationship with the football team because they are so mindbendingly terrible.

That's pretty much me in sports: the Mets and then... the resty.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2007, 06:45:21 pm »

Yeah, pretty much all geography all the time.  Philly teams, Baltimore teams, Washington teams.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2007, 07:17:48 pm »

Also Liverpool, because my best friend my freshmen year of college was from England, was a Liverpool fan, and the Fox Sports channel would always play Liverpool game at about 3 or 4 a.m. on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings.

I root for Argentina in International Soccer and I guess U.S. in the Olympics, although it is usually just the coolest person competing in the individual sports.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2007, 07:25:38 pm »

My oldest and deepest sports affiliation is University of Kentucky basketball.  It's sort of a relgion around here and I grew up in the midst of it.  I'm also a Univesity of Louisville basketball fan, ever since 1988 when I matriculated there.  I'm also a college basketball fan in general.  Today is a big day for me.

I don't like the NBA.

Baseball, I'm a (World Series Champion) St Louis Cardinals fan.  This dates back to about 1981 when I started thinking about going to college in St Louis.  Before that I was a Reds fan.  As a St Louis fan, I am statutorily required to regard the Mets as pond scum.  The American league is sort of irrelevant to me.

I like college football, but not as much as the NFL.  I follow my alma maters.

I didn't really become much of an NFL fan until about 1991 when I graduated from law school.  As I student I'd never much given a shit about it, but I fell for it hard around that time.  I am primarily a Miami Dolphins fan.  I think this dates back to the early 70's and the perfect record team.  Also, I always liked Dan Marino.  I hate the goddamn Jets.  I've also followed the Rams since they moved to St Louis -- in-laws with season tickets tend to raise one's interest level, I've found.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2007, 07:47:44 pm »

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I've also followed the Rams since they moved to St Louis -- in-laws with season tickets tend to raise one's interest level, I've found.

How does the souls of the Watermelon Heads taste?

When the Rams left I felt like shit over the NFL for years. The only real allegiance I have is to the Stillers that traces back to the Steel Curtain defense days.

I am a dedicated, long suffering, hopeless, finally (2002 WS) winning Angels fan. Then they shit on that with the new ownership name change. I didn't go to a game last year and I live 20 minutes from the stadium.

Hockey? What?

Basketball: Kobe killed the Lakers for me. Haven't watched a game in 2 years, and I was a fan through the Del Harris years still.

College sports: NNAAAAaaaaaah! If they let me do it it ain't none of 'em that special.

Olympics: Isn't that every 12 years or something?

Car Racing: to quote Dan Jenkins, "Don't got no time for it unless there's a chance of a buncha Frenchmen getting wiped out". (Then only the replays)

Golf: Hit it long, JD. All them other dudes are haircuts on top of empty suits and Foot-Joys.

I really do like sports, but the last couple years if I do have 'em on it's mostly as background while I do something else. My limited free time now goes to shooting, hiking, handloading, coaching Little League and golfing. I guess I've reached a point where doing is more important to me than watching.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2007, 07:59:24 pm »

But man, being into the Braves is pretty much the most crap baseball thing imaginable.

Wow.  I don't know for certain, but I think I may be the lone Braves fan on these boards.  I guess it falls on my shoulders to defend them.

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My family lived in Austin until I was six.  As with Hernandez, the closest Major League team to us was the Rangers, and since we were from England anyway we didn't really give a shit.  We moved to Atlanta in the fall of '92.  My very first baseball memory is of Sid Bream sliding home in the NLCS.  The following year, the Braves came back from ten games behind the Giants to win their division.  Pennant fever was still a relatively new phenomenon in Atlanta, and nobody was really all that used to winning yet.  It was an exciting time to be a Braves fan, and I was hooked.

It was a long time ago, back when I was still a but lowly lurker here, but I recall LFM explaining his own rationale for being a Mets fan.  Here it is:

Still, here's the thing about being a New York Mets fan. In the Northeast, you can be a Yankees fan, a Mets fan or a Red Sox fan.

To be a Red Sox fan is to be a self-flagellant, enjoying the pain of almost always failing by just an inch... digging on it, making it your personality, the sick pride of always being stepped on and almost feeling betrayed by success because you're not so special anymore.

To be a Yankees fan is to be completely obsessed with being The Best, to the point of not caring to understand any of the minutae of anything, only caring that you're destroying everyone else and... when you're not... being bewildered by it, as though up was down and in was out, to the point where you're asking why God has forsaken you.

And then there's being a Mets fan. The Buddha's Middle Path. Mediocre, just enough to not quite be in the playoff race, most of the time... some of the games are exciting, some are awful, a few stars, a few goats, the whole range of the experience and... every once in a while, every five ten fifteen years, they get it together enough to be the Best or quite near it. And that's nice but you sort of have the full view of the experience because you've spent the last ten years dealing with the depth and breadth of the experience of being So-So.

It's a balanced healthy kinda fan experience.

So, first of all, in the Southeast (at least in Georgia) your choice is basically limited to either being a Braves fan or watching NASCAR.  Sure, there are a couple of other teams down in Florida, but something like three-quarters of the fans there are transplants anyway.  But to describe my own team's mindset within this continuum...

Well, to be a Braves fan is to expect to win, not in a psychotic victory-at-any-cost way like the Yankees fan, but rather... having faith that in the end you'll manage to pull it off somehow.  You won't necessarily dominate, but over the course of 162 games everything will fall into place, with the your own place being at the top, sometimes above other teams that are theoretically better than you.  It's a much less useful mentality to have in the playoffs, granted, and most of the time you won't come away with the ultimate prize, but you always have at least a fairly decent shot at it.  You know failure enough for the successes to be really meaningful, but at the same time you never resign yourself to losing.

I just read over that and realized that it probably sounds horribly arrogant, but what I'm really trying to describe here is more a sense of healthy optimism.  On any given day, in any given season, you know you have a legitimate chance of being the Best, that you can set your sights that high without the gut feeling that you're just deluding yourself.  Oftentimes you'll fall short, but even then it's not because you Blew It.  It's just the icy, impersonal hand of statistics.  You never stop hoping for the best.

As for the Braves-Mets rivalry... I actually kind of like the Mets.  I just always, always want them to lose.  During the Bobby Valentine Era they were a great team of "bad guys" to root against, with their black uniforms and their designer stubble, and Mike Piazza with his sinister mustache and goatee.  I have a genuine distaste for the Yankees, but playing against the Mets was always a bit like playing against Elmer Fudd.  I'm sure it helped a lot that we always got the last laugh, but even after last season I can't truthfully say that I hate the Mets.  In fact, as crazy as it may sound, my favorite player as a kid was Turk Wendell.  That guy was just plain nuts.  I loved him.  Fortunately he was a middle reliever, so I could root for him to have a good outing and then for the next guy blow it.

They can't sell out LCS games, for fuck's sake. That says it all.

I'm not even going to try to defend this.  I am in complete agreement with you about this.  It's sickening.  However, I will point out that the in spite of their performance on the field last season, the Braves had their highest attendance in four years and set a new single-game attendance record.  That's got to at least count for something.

Atlanta isn't a true Baseball Town in the mold of a New York or a St. Louis or a Baltimore, in fact it's only really a decent baseball town because all the other teams that play there suck.  I am willing to admit this.  But that doesn't mean there are no real die-hard Braves fans, or that the team isn't deserving of a better fan base than they actually have, and in any case that has no bearing on why they are my team.  That I became a Braves fan is primarily an accident of geography, but that I have remained one has a lot more to do with the collective team psyche that I've described above.  Besides, who else am I going to root for out here in the desert?  The Diamondbacks sucked before and now they suck in even uglier uniforms.

Well, they have a bunch of redneck announcers, and perhaps that is what made me dislike them more. (I know some Careys worked there, but they also have the southern redneck always). 

Skip Carey is the man!  Two of my favorite calls:

"...and as we go to the bottom of the sixth, it's Braves 4, Evildoers 1."  (I don't remember the actual score, or the inning, or anything else about the game now.  I think it was against the Rockies)

and during a game in Montreal, after an Expos player hit a mammoth home run:
"Deep fly ball into left field... maybe it'll hit a speaker."

TBS has moved him onto just radio broadcasts now, much to my sadness.  They're not even covering Braves games exclusively anymore after this season, which for an out-of-state fan sucks ass.  The good news is that if I sign up for MLB.TV I will have no remaining incentive to pay for cable and could actually save money.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2007, 08:10:07 pm »

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So, first of all, in the Southeast (at least in Georgia) your choice is basically limited to either being a Braves fan or watching NASCAR.

If you live in the Southeast, the established team to be a fan of and be respected by baseball fans is to be into the Cincinatti Reds. Many friends of mine from the Southeast are Reds fans because their dads grew up following the Reds on the radio before the Braves came into being and inherited that fandom.

If you live toward the western half of the Southeast, the Cardinals are similarly acceptable.

And... no offense to anyone but I'm gonna have to lay it down that... as a lower-middle-class person from the Northeast, I was raised with the belief that there is no excuse for being into NASCAR. I do my best to be an Open-Minded Sort but... I've never figured out what is fun about watching other people drive cars in circles.

It is probably super fun to BE in NASCAR. To BE driving a car 200 miles an hour for half a day.

But soccer's hell of fun to PLAY and on television, it's like watching two other people play pong.

If anyone has a new explanation, please. Explain to me this NASCAR.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2007, 08:42:23 pm »

If anyone has a new explanation, please. Explain to me this NASCAR.

Easy. Men like to argue about who has the better car. By having professional drivers racing stock vehicles men can find out which car is really the fastest (and therefore best) without risking their own lives.

As to the point of races with non-stock cars, I coudln't tell you. I think the jumps and stuff in motorcross are kind of neat, though.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2007, 08:50:43 pm »

No no, I get that.

People like arguing about cars. I don't like it but I understand it.

But... actually sitting in a big sweaty stadium or in front of a television for three hours, just flat out watching cars go in circles. This is what I don't get. If people were handed the results of these competitions and enjoyed arguing about it afterwards, I would get it.

But... it's cars... going in circles. And, occasionally, someone dies a horrific and completely unnecessary death. This is all that happens. Cars in circles and the rare avoidable tragedy.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2007, 09:04:38 pm »

LFM, I knew there were a lot of Cards fans in Texas, but that's the first I've heard about Reds fans in Georgia.  Maybe it's only because I grew up in the Atlanta metro area that I didn't know this.

I am basically of the opinion that all motorsport events should be like Speed Racer.  Europeans had it right with their rally courses winding through little alpine villages, at least until it started to go downhill in the '60s when the safety standards improved.  On the other hand, they also created the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which as I understand is like NASCAR but for 24 hours straight, so perhaps they don't know quite what they're doing after all.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2007, 09:21:26 pm »

my ex's dad liked "watching" NASCAR while taking a nap on the couch.

PS Atlanta is pretty un-Southern pass it on.
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Re: The Legend of the Octopus
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2007, 09:45:47 pm »

Hotlanta? That whole place is WHACKED
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