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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2007, 09:08:38 pm »

yes. arms and legs. some people, for some reason, think that their arm or leg should not be there.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2007, 09:11:22 pm »

Back in the nineties I was pretty heavily into tattoos and piercings and I had this fascination with BME, or body modification ezine. There is some pretty scary and hardcore stuff in there. I haven't been there in a long time but they had some stuff about people who had amputation fetishes and had "accidents" to get limbs removed.

I only had about 10 body piercings and one tattoo, so it's not like i'm a Suicidegirl or anything. Basically I don't recommend them*.

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* Way off topic:  All my piercings are out because I developed a pretty bad allergy to metal as a result of all the piercings. It is so bad that I can't even wear gold, titanium, or niobium, much less silver, so I'm not sure if it's a nickel allergy or if I just have insanely sensitive skin or if it's all metal alloys. I'm kind of worried that I won't be able to wear a wedding band when I get married, which would be sad. I have to sew patches inside my jeans to cover up the rivets or else I get really bad contact dermatitis, and then the rest of my skin gets sympathy hives. I have to get bras with plastic components instead of metal (like the little slidey things that adjust the straps). I have to wear a watch when I'm on call so that I can get patient vital signs, so I had to get one with an all-velcro strap that covers up the metal back of the watch. I have to have plastic glasses so that the metal doesn't touch my skin. Etc...

However, I have a couple bracelets that are glass beads on stretch cord that I can wear even though they have some little metal charms that dangle off them. I wear them until I start to get The Rash and then I have to lay off for a few days.


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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2007, 09:45:13 pm »

I read an article that was, in something, by a woman who had managed to lose one leg. She had filled the back seat-well of her car with dry ice and stuck her leg in it for a couple of hours, which failed so she had to retry once she had gotten better after the first. All because she was told having it done surgically wasn't an option.
I mean, at the point when someone's going to harm themselves something needs doing regardless, it's insane.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2007, 01:19:18 am »

I'm pretty sure I've heard of the amputation thing happening in more places than scotland. It's just a matter of finding a surgeon who is wiling to do it which I guess means convincing them that it is what is best for you. Obviously it's elective surgery too which I guess would make it more expensive.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2007, 03:54:00 am »

stuff about how clothing causes her problems

Move in with me and the wife, and you can pretty much go naked. That's what she does most of the time.



Should that have been a PM?
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2007, 04:21:02 am »

Should that have been a PM?

I for one am glad is wasn't.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2007, 05:10:36 am »

I for one am glad is wasn't.

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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2007, 09:23:09 pm »

Sounds like Nabu just needs a webcam and he's got a home-based business.

WRT Kevorkian, it's a thin line.  On the one hand I feel it's unconscionable to force someone to endure unimaginable pain just so they can experience it for another month before they die, but on the other hand it'd be really easy for an HMO to "suggest" this when they don't feel like the expensive treatments would be above their minimum success rate.

I don't know.  When it's the patient's choice, and they're not being forced/coerced into anything, and there's no chance for recovery, AND it will save them months of pain... yeah.  But if there's ever a hint that any of those things aren't true, the shitstorm would be epic.  Can you imagine the furor if a family member could make a case that someone was argued in to making this decision?  I don't see a way with our current "lawsuits are the way to keep doctors in check" system that it would ever be legalized.  Malpractice insurance would be in the millions.  Monthly.

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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2007, 10:26:01 pm »

Move in with me and the wife, and you can pretty much go naked. That's what she does most of the time.



Should that have been a PM?

Heh! It usually takes a few days for The Rash to develop. But that's not a bad idea. Maybe let me know when you're back in the lower 48.  :D


Sounds like Nabu just needs a webcam and he's got a home-based business.

WRT Kevorkian, it's a thin line.  On the one hand I feel it's unconscionable to force someone to endure unimaginable pain just so they can experience it for another month before they die, but on the other hand it'd be really easy for an HMO to "suggest" this when they don't feel like the expensive treatments would be above their minimum success rate.

I don't know.  When it's the patient's choice, and they're not being forced/coerced into anything, and there's no chance for recovery, AND it will save them months of pain... yeah.  But if there's ever a hint that any of those things aren't true, the shitstorm would be epic.  Can you imagine the furor if a family member could make a case that someone was argued in to making this decision?  I don't see a way with our current "lawsuits are the way to keep doctors in check" system that it would ever be legalized.  Malpractice insurance would be in the millions.  Monthly.

Argh.

Man...that is something that I never thought of. Yeah, just killin' off the patients would be a quick way for the HMOs to save a few bucks. Ugh. It's a slippery slope, ain't it?
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2007, 10:52:14 pm »

I don't know.  When it's the patient's choice, and they're not being forced/coerced into anything, and there's no chance for recovery, AND it will save them months of pain... yeah.  But if there's ever a hint that any of those things aren't true, the shitstorm would be epic.  Can you imagine the furor if a family member could make a case that someone was argued in to making this decision?  I don't see a way with our current "lawsuits are the way to keep doctors in check" system that it would ever be legalized.  Malpractice insurance would be in the millions.  Monthly.

Argh.

Well, omelettes & eggs and all that. Look at capital punishment (oops, wrong guy). Or abortion. Anything worth fighting about is always better if it's really complicated and confusing.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2007, 11:01:32 pm »

Heh! It usually takes a few days for The Rash to develop. But that's not a bad idea. Maybe let me know when you're back in the lower 48.  :D

An ounce of prevention is basically like treasure, in this case.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2007, 12:32:31 am »

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QFT. How could we argue about such things if there weren't two really solid options to stand for!? How could we have such issues if there wasn't the possibility of being "confused and undecided," so that angry ladies could scream at you for wanting to own their wombs! (to clarify: I do not want to own anyone's wombs. my opinion on the whole thing is "it's complicated, and I don't know what the hell I think. Both sides completely mischaracterize and misunderstand the other side." This gets me in trouble, so I try to keep clammed up about it.)
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2007, 01:59:36 am »

QFT. How could we argue about such things if there weren't two really solid options to stand for!? How could we have such issues if there wasn't the possibility of being "confused and undecided," so that angry ladies could scream at you for wanting to own their wombs! (to clarify: I do not want to own anyone's wombs. my opinion on the whole thing is "it's complicated, and I don't know what the hell I think. Both sides completely mischaracterize and misunderstand the other side." This gets me in trouble, so I try to keep clammed up about it.)

Like Bill Hicks said, there's never been a more divisive issue, it's practically a civil war. It's better just to Not Go There. We've already heard all the arguments before.
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Re: Kevorkian a free man
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2007, 02:17:00 am »

I never thought St. Jack should have gone to jail in the first place.  Good for him.  I hope he goes right back out and starts helping people die with dignity again.  The world needs him and people like him.

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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2007, 04:59:17 am »

Did Bill Hicks really say not to go there?  I doubt that.  Well, maybe he said it then went there himself.  That is possible.
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