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[theinevitable]

yeah, totally.
I think that if you lived there you would stop being that way? probably?

[oball]

Did someone ask for reasons to not go to Adelaide?

Incidentally, I am going to Adelaide on Friday to get drunk with people I met on the internet.  What could possibly go wrong?



Edit: Although I can't really bag out Adelaide for their murderous ways too much, since I live about an hour away from where this happened.

[Golfhaus]

Did someone ask for reasons to not go to Adelaide?

Lots of people get murdered there.... okay, so it will feel like home to an American.

[oball]

Yeah but in Oz you aren't legally allowed to carry around large calibre hand guns for self-defence.

[littlefallsmets]

Y'know something?

I think that if the mythical unabated "right to bear arms" only applied to "arms" as the technology existed at the time of the Bill of Rights, it wouldn't be so bad.

Muskets and such that fire one inaccurate shot and then take fifteen minutes to load unless you are highly trained and then it "only" takes five.

I would be rad with that idea.

I think we have our compromise here.

[theinevitable]

i started re-considering my opinion on guns when I realized they were based on my rich white-boy-who-grew-up-in-a-liberal-democracy assumption that the police would always come help me, and would always be on my side.

i wish I could say that NWA weren't a big factor, but, they were.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Y'know something?

I think that if the mythical unabated "right to bear arms" only applied to "arms" as the technology existed at the time of the Bill of Rights, it wouldn't be so bad.

Muskets and such that fire one inaccurate shot and then take fifteen minutes to load unless you are highly trained and then it "only" takes five.

I would be rad with that idea.

I think we have our compromise here.

And freedom of speech should only be limited to the technology of the time, too. newspapers, pamphlets, they are fine. But the internet, phone lines, radio, etc, those are not covered by the right to free speech. Freedom from search and seizure, too. Cars and mobile homes are all fair game, the founders didn't intend them to be covered. Anything other than log cabin, really.
Cmon man.

[theinevitable]

LFM, I am sorry, the original version of that post was due to the fact that I am just in a HATEFUL mood today for some reason. STBAD (sorry to be a dick)

[CortJstr]

Y'know something?

I think that if the mythical unabated "right to bear arms" only applied to "arms" as the technology existed at the time of the Bill of Rights, it wouldn't be so bad.

Muskets and such that fire one inaccurate shot and then take fifteen minutes to load unless you are highly trained and then it "only" takes five.

I would be rad with that idea.

I think we have our compromise here.

Only if the police and army also have muskets. You can't have much of a revolution when the man has vastly superior arms compared to the people.

[littlefallsmets]

Just to be fair, we're kept in line far far more by our debts and obligations than we are by anyone's guns, either way.

Our homes and cars are better ammunition against us, these days.

[Doc]

I just realised I mis-read Adelaide's population as 150k instead of 1.5 million. So I guess it's not as small a town as I recall. I still say people should come to Brisbane instead. Our beaches are better and I could take you drinking.

[Ben-San]

Hey, historical linguistics checkin' in! At the time of the document's writing, the phrase "bear arms" was used exclusively to refer to the act of serving in a military, not to the possession of weapons! In other words, what they actually wrote down was "everyone has the right to request that the government teach them how to fight, and to fight on behalf of the government", not "everyone has the right to keep a gun under his pillow".

Now, I will say that it probably just never occurred to them that someone would say they didn't have the right to own a gun - this was a time in the country's life when owning a gun was a practical "hey guys, venison for Sunday dinner!" matter rather than a "AK-47 FUCK THE POLICE" matter as it is for an unnervingly large number of gun-owners in modern America. Just sayin', none of us (in America, at least, can't speak for other nations' constitutions) actually has a constitutionally-protected right to own a gun, much less to own them without any form of regulation or monitoring as certain elements would have you believe.

[littlefallsmets]

Its funny how a distrust of the very idea of government seems to be... hardwired directly into American political discourse when... that's not how it was in the beginning at all. The point of the American Revolution wasn't that governance didn't work, it was that governance from afar by birthright didn't work... and this framework for a government could work and could work well.

Where did this new line of thinking... that government is fundamentally built to oppress and is evil and must be defended against... get written in?

I mean, it's kind of transparent that it was put in there by business interests who wanted to do whatever the fuck they wanted but...

I don't know, historically, when did this fundamental rewrite of our history start?

[theinevitable]

i mean.

considering how much you harp on how easily the american people can be duped by evil, selgiraffe, corrupt leaders, it seems pretty basic to think that sometimes the government will get screwed up and oppressive.
i mean, also like a basic examination of all the times in history governments have gotten screwed up and oppressive.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Where did this new line of thinking... that government is fundamentally built to oppress and is evil and must be defended against... get written in?

I mean, it's kind of transparent that it was put in there by business interests who wanted to do whatever the fuck they wanted but...

I don't know, historically, when did this fundamental rewrite of our history start?

Wat?
Start with maybe reading a book. Maybe start with Hobbes Leviathan, or go to a political science class. I know you've expressed hatred for "books" and how impractical their contents are, but I promise some of them hold the answers you seek.