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[Doc]

I'm not much into hip hop but I do love a melbourne group called Hilltop Hoods.

Scroobius pip also makes it onto every mix-tape I make.

For ages I associated hip hop with gangster rap and I care about lyrics too much so singing about bitches and shorties and drive bys just pissed me off. I like the non-gangster hip hop though and of course the nerdcore is the bizzledy.

[KeithHernandez]

I don't know if we are making a hip hop/ rap distinction here(don't really know what the difference is), but I really dig Illmatic by Nas, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back is better than Black Planet, and ATLiens by Outkast could be one of the top ten albums ever made, you know, depending on the day.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRTH9D0epTs 

Oh and the new Big Boi album has a track with George Clinton.  It is pretty bad ass.  About dope:  smoke, don't choke seems to be the moral.

[theinevitable]

people keep telling me that about nation of millions, but I just don't get it. i need to listen to it again, obviously.

[KeithHernandez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MjgcNXZLs

This song alone makes it one of the greatest hip hop albums ever.  My favorite part is "stay strong sister."

[Carlos del Vaca]

Paul, I suggest you check out Mos Def.  Not just because white people like Mos Def, but because I like him, and I like the other hip hop acts you said you enjoyed.

Also, A Tribe Called Quest.

[Carlos del Vaca]

As to what I'm listening to:  the new National album, High Violet.  Oh yes, very much so.
http://vimeo.com/11653518

[greenkoolayd]

mos def and common are both rad hip hop dudes that talk about 'the streets' a lot, but dont glorify ignorance/negativity.

(rap is part of hip hop)

[pmcd9]

My friend Emma sings on this.

I told her the price was exorbitant, but I bought it anyway.

[Lister]

I can't recommend Jurassic 5 highly enough.  Literate MCs with real skills?  Oh yes, please.  Unfortunately their label is aggressive about takedowns and they've only uploaded 4 videos of their own to Youtube, but still.  They're good at what they do.

If You Only Knew
Quality Control (title track from an excellent album)
Concrete Schoolyard
High Fidelity
I Am Somebody

[robot_god]

Gangsta rap was mercilessly executed when 50 Cent released his second album.  Gangsta rap - true gangsta rap - was the height of hip-hop and best of it was fueled by feuds.  But after Tupac and Biggie were no longer producing music, gangsta rap basically became a quest to answer the question, 'who is the most gangsta?'

Well after his first album, Get Rich or Die Trying, 50 Cent had answered that question.  The album created the most powerful image in rap's history.  And then every album he released after that was an effortless pop hackjob piece of crap.  The talent had disappeared.  50 had won "the rap game" more decisively than any MC in history and then, with his popularity, he cut the head off the chicken.  Gangsta rap was dead.

So since 2005, this proverbial chicken has been running around waiting to die.  The only really significant albums since then have been a few of Kanye's, and maybe arguably a pair from Lil' Wayne.  That's because in the post-gangsta era, these two were the only artists to introduce touches of psychedelia into the music and they benefited greatly.  So that brings us to the lastest Eminem album which will probably be the last hip-hop ever recorded with any effort going into it.

Now there is officially nothing new that can possibly be done within the rap/hip-hop genre without removing it from that genre.  DEAD GENRE.  There are no gangstas anymore.  Where have all the gangstas gone?

[Carlos del Vaca]

Here is a DJ Format jam that not only features dudes from Jurassic 5, but has an awesome video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhZt4i92aSA

Supposedly the MCs were supposed to come to the video shoot but didn't, so in a last-minute effort to save the day, the director went out and got the costumes for the backup dancers and had them go to town.

[theinevitable]

lately I am so tired of playing chords.

I am all about Real Estate.

[miles]

I like rap and like talking about it. The new Big Boi is very good. Better than Speakerboxxx, which I also like. I don't think I've ever heard melancholy done better in rap than Unhappy from that album. Second the ATLiens recommendation, throw in Aquemini too.

And of course Illmatic, which really should serve as a template for all rap records. Excellent production, no obnoxious skits, absolutely no filler and flawless delivery on every track.

Enough can never be said about Public Enemy. I'm not an expert on the history of rap, but they may have been the first really sonically interesting group. It was all pretty basic before them.

Other favorites, somewhat in order, and off the top of my head:

Liquid Swords -- GZA
Madvillainy -- Madvillain (Madlib and MF Doom)
The Unseen -- Quasimoto (Madlib)
The Blueprint -- Jay-Z
Enter the Wu-Tang
2001 -- Dr. Dre
Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP -- Eminem
Champion Sound -- Jaylib (Madlib and J Dilla)
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, the original and "sequel" (though quite different) -- Raekwon
Supreme Clientele -- Ghostface
The Chronic, Doggystyle and other various Dr. Dre stuff from the early 90s
The Pretty Toney Album and giraffescale -- Ghostface
Purple Haze -- Cam'ron
Ridin' Dirty -- UGK
Dr. No's Oxperiment -- Oh No (Madlib's brother)

Also, it's worth checking out as much J Dilla as you can. Maybe start with Donuts? That would probably be somewhere on that list.

Edit: My favorite J Dilla track.

Not really rap or hip-hop, though the influence is there and heavy, but I love the new Flying Lotus, Cosmogramma.

[theinevitable]

holy shit this free thing

ty segall, thee oh sees, best coast, king khan, times new viking, nodzzz, happy birthday... YES.

I LOVE ROCK MUSIC.

I will trade so many days of work with people in order to make sure I can go to this.

[Choop]

ty segall, thee oh sees, best coast, king khan, times new viking, nodzzz, happy birthday... YES.

oh my god i'm old