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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2011, 11:08:47 pm »
Quote from: Asherdan on July 01, 2011, 01:23:58 pm
The poor man can get all the Justice he can get up off his ass and go take.

That's what JL was looking for. Why isn't anyone biting? Are we all Republicans now?
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2011, 11:37:47 pm »
Yeah, probably rich people just care more about their murdered family members.

Also: it is hard to "take" justice if you are dead.

Justice isn't something you should have to "take."
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2011, 12:46:58 am »
But what about the dead guy who doesn't have anyone to "take" justice for him? Doesn't he deserve justice, too?

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Plenty of ambulance chasers looking to put a necktie on someone for a backend spec if the police don't jump.
I have no idea what the hell this means.

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There has never, in the history of mankind, been a more prolonged application of technology and resources to the benefit of the (formerly) under served.
I mean, you could say this about anything. The fact that something is better than it used to be does not mean it is fixed, or good.

Also, I live ~2 miles west of the Mississippi.

I haven't seen any ladies in barrios crying on TV, just lots of people looking for pretty, dead white girls.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2011, 02:04:25 am »
Quote from: theinevitable on July 02, 2011, 12:46:58 am
But what about the dead guy who doesn't have anyone to "take" justice for him? Doesn't he deserve justice, too?

i think that once a person is no longer sharing air, he has no need of earthly justice.  (my spiritual leanings play a part in this idea)
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2011, 03:20:15 am »
Again, you seem to be saying that people who don't get justice just arent caring hard enough

And GKA, the point is more about the perpetrator than the victim in my statement. I guess once I am dead I will not really care about anything.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2011, 03:21:12 am »
Quote from: Asherdan on July 01, 2011, 11:45:11 pm

Don't even make me talk about you Southern bastiges. You people need to jump in a hole and pull it in after you.

Hey, fuck you very much.  Don't drag me into this.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2011, 04:02:07 am »
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2011, 04:15:58 am »
man, sometimes you are really hard to like.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2011, 04:18:55 am »
 We are amused. Carry on!
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2011, 05:02:11 am »
It is the police's job to give a shit about people dying. That is why I pay taxes. I shouldn't have to drive over to the police station and yell at them, or hire a lawyer. If customers had to yell at me for me to do my job, I would get fired. I don't give two shits about some damn hoss deciding not to drink.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2011, 06:27:32 am »
Being an active member of your community sometimes means being the person who stands up and says 'this is some bullshit, we need to fix this'.

It irks me when people do so and then get dragged down by folks saying 'Well fuck you, why aren't you fixing it? You've got no right to say anything until you're working tirelessly to fix everything yourself.' The two things aren't even related, it might make a person a hypocrite because their lazy asses won't fix it themselves but it doesn't make them wrong that shit needs to get done.

Being too accepting that a system is fundamentally broken and we need to carry the load ourselves just leads to the system getting more broken. Fixing a system means making sure people know it needs fixing.

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We are amused. Carry on!

I think the real question here is what is wrong with people that we are so willing to flagellate each other for our fascist head of state's amusement?
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2011, 06:47:18 am »
In the interests of starting another argument, something I was thinking the other day (though not in quite such strong terms).

Why the fuck do we still have a working class? Most of us live in countries that by rights should contain the best educated citizens in the world, why do we still need to employ a huge proportion of people in jobs that don't require a highschool diploma? I'm not talking about skilled labour here, I'm talking about people who work in the same factory job their dad did for 20 years and then get surprised when their factory gets closed down because the government is tired of propping up a failing industry with bailouts and tariffs.
It worries me because developing countries that are already better at us in manufacturing and similar industries are only getting smarter, so if we don't focus on creating an educated workforce we're going to get left in their dust. And it offends me because a decent proportion of my income has and will go to ensuring free education for every citizen up to and including university level education (not to mention welfare for people undertaking studies and so on... including myself currently, but still) so when people blow off knowledge because they believe (and in fairness are indoctrinated to believe by those around them) that school is some bullshit and they'll be able to get a job a monkey  could do with zero qualifications it shits me off. I hear a lot about my generation being entitled, but at least most of my friends go out and work for degrees and so on before they complain about not being able to get a job.

I suspect in reality the real answer is 'the *****s to replace them aren't cheap enough, yet' because hell knows there's no room for sentimentalism in industry. I know making your job too much a part of your identity is considered unhealthy but with all the resources at our disposal in a first world country isn't the fact that some people are still just shooting for 'paper cup machine QA' a bit bloody sad?

These have been the opinions of an upper-middle class white boy, we now return you to our regular programming.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2011, 07:43:46 pm »
Quote from: Asherdan on July 02, 2011, 05:46:22 am
You're comparing your job to an understaffed and overwhelmed public agency. This is invalid.

The are understaffed and overwhelmed because people like you refuse to pay taxes in this country.  Your point is invalid.

Let the people build themselves up, I've got mine- how did you get yours?  Maybe because people in your situation were more realistic about the world they lived in and gave you a chance through the possibility of jobs with decent pay?  A decent tax rate so you didn't have to solve crime yourself?  I remember the Clinton years enough to know that when you were going for what inev and I are going for it was a hell of a lot easier to get.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2011, 08:11:51 pm »
Quote from: KeithHernandez on July 02, 2011, 07:43:46 pm
I remember the Clinton years enough to know that when you were going for what inev and I are going for it was a hell of a lot easier to get.

slick willy was a friend to dog walkers, i guess.
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Re: The Coliseum
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2011, 08:16:55 pm »
That was not funny or meaningful in any way.  Go fuck yourself.

I went to college, got a fine gpa and looked for a job for over a year.  That is when I started doing mindless shit I hate.
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