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Title: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Victoria Waterfield on November 07, 2007, 06:05:49 am
http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=11072007

Being gay is an ability.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: melack on November 07, 2007, 06:08:18 am
Best part of about this strip? I had totally forgotten about the glory of overlapped bubble lettering. This brings me back to youth, man.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: AugustWest on November 07, 2007, 06:15:19 am
Ray is all about education.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 07, 2007, 06:25:58 am
Is Phillipe old enough to know cursive? Christ, I'm 28 and I don't know cursive properly. When I entered Junior High, my English teacher told me to just print until I could learn to type. My cursive was simply that bad.

He is very young, he is imaginary and he isn't even a person and his cursive is better than mine.

He is wise enough, however, understand the way that we are afraid of very attractive women because we understand that if a lady is pretty enough, we can easily be made to kill just to be allowed to keep looking at her. And how scary that is, upon reflection.

Hm. Maybe Phillipe is just really advanced for his age.

Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Victoria Waterfield on November 07, 2007, 06:30:37 am
Hm. Maybe Phillipe is just really advanced for his age.

Well, he has been five for a long time.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Arachno-capitalist on November 07, 2007, 07:00:07 am
when I moved in i didnt know if my roommate was gay. so i asked him and he said yes. The next day there were pictures of topless men taped to his door.
I asked if he was gay, and he proved it.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: V-Adore on November 07, 2007, 08:22:38 am
That lettering is straight old-school.

Things that make me glad that Achewood does not have a substantial fandom: the abject lack of terrible "Ability Man"-themed slash fiction.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: oball on November 07, 2007, 11:12:29 am
Is Phillipe old enough to know cursive? Christ, I'm 28 and I don't know cursive properly. When I entered Junior High, my English teacher told me to just print until I could learn to type. My cursive was simply that bad.

We had handwriting lessons in primary school, and I hated them.  Absolutely loathed them.  I was actually happy when I had a dentist's appointment one day, because it was on at the same time as handwriting, so I got out of the lesson.

We were supposed to get our handwriting to the point where we could pass a test, and then we obtained our "pen license" and were allowed to write with a biro.  I told the teacher that I wasn't going to bother, because cursive is stupid and hard to read (which it is - my mother has the best handwriting British schools in the 50s could teach, and it's illegible), and that I'd just write with a pencil until I got to high school where they don't care how you write.  I just handed in blank paper at the end of each handwriting lesson. 

Even now I print everything, just like my dad.  My older brother goes one step further and writes everything in block capitals.  My little brother writes in the most horrible, sloppy, unreadable cursive ever, but he's training to be a doctor so bad handwriting goes with the territory.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Doc on November 07, 2007, 12:13:19 pm
I remember being in year 7 and my teacher making weird semi-veiled threats that I'd have to be kept back or go to summer classes or something because my hand writing was so bad. She was one of my favourite teachers but that's so fuck*ng odd.
My handwriting was/is fairly attrocious though.

That overlapping bubble writing though, that's the shizzle. I might have to go re-label my lab books right now.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theauthors on November 07, 2007, 01:03:30 pm
liked this better the first time around (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=02272004)
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: CortJstr on November 07, 2007, 02:07:52 pm
I have yet to find a single person who can explain the existence or necessity of cursive to me. My mom who is in her 38th year teaching says it's so that you know how to sign your name. She honestly believes that a signature has to be each letter in your name and be totally legible. Why one has to learn letters that aren't in their names she has no answer for. Besides, last I checked learning cursive actually slows a child's development in other areas, because they're using so much brain power remembering how to write squiggly letters that they'll never use again after 6th grade.

Philippe should also make Pat's super-hero chest symbol that weird S thing that people used to draw all over every available surface.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: side_show on November 07, 2007, 02:28:31 pm
Locally the teachers are talking about taking cursive out of the cirriculm. 

As I understand it cursive (when everybody was more proficient at it and it was the only other option) is faster than printing due to the fewer times needed to lift the pen.  But with computers taking the place of handwritting, cursive has become more or less obsolete. 

I remember back in kid times, I was told I was only allowed to have a bank account if I knew how to write in cursive, because according to mom and a bank teller "you must use cursive to fill out a check!"  Aparently cursive is a lot harder to forge?  So once I learned it I got a kid's savings account where I put my allowance.  The only time I use cursive now is for writting out checks.  A part of me thinks my checks wont be accepted unless they're filled out in cursive.  Eighty-dollars and Twelve Cents to the gass company calls for squiggles and loops you see.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: CortJstr on November 07, 2007, 03:19:56 pm
Locally the teachers are talking about taking cursive out of the cirriculm. 

As I understand it cursive (when everybody was more proficient at it and it was the only other option) is faster than printing due to the fewer times needed to lift the pen.  But with computers taking the place of handwritting, cursive has become more or less obsolete. 

I remember back in kid times, I was told I was only allowed to have a bank account if I knew how to write in cursive, because according to mom and a bank teller "you must use cursive to fill out a check!"  Aparently cursive is a lot harder to forge?  So once I learned it I got a kid's savings account where I put my allowance.  The only time I use cursive now is for writting out checks.  A part of me thinks my checks wont be accepted unless they're filled out in cursive.  Eighty-dollars and Twelve Cents to the gass company calls for squiggles and loops you see.

What's a check?

Actually I wish my band would sell me a book of deposit slips. Because a book of checks has 25 checks and like 6 deposit slips. 25 checks last me 12-18 months, but I use 2 deposit slips a month (for the SO's half of the rent) so I run out of those pretty much immediately. If my building let us pay the rent online like the fancier apartment buildings I don't think I'd need checks at all.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: robot_god on November 07, 2007, 03:23:16 pm
cursive actually slows a child's development in other areas, because they're using so much brain power remembering how to write squiggly letters that they'll never use again after 6th grade.

Wow, that's right, I never thought about what a waste of time it was.



Ya know what?  Fuck cursive.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: dejavroom on November 07, 2007, 03:24:43 pm
Well, I tend to consider writing in cursive along with other stuff that, when done well, can be beautiful.

I get pleasure from reading regular, elegant handwriting, and when I do it I try to do it as carefully (not to be confused with laboriously) as I can, as one would do a drawing.

My penmanship used to be quite shitty as I grew up being all fucked-up (not literally, just your run-of-the-mill growing up fucked-up), but now I'm actually owning the bitch and it feels good, like a part of my personality that finally got it together - that finally assembled itself into a functional whole that shows through the balance and cleanliness of my cursive. I look at what I wrote and think "No way I'd put a kitten on a blender, look at how damn *suave* I made this "f"!!"

I'm probably, alas, reading too much into it.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: milhouse on November 07, 2007, 03:57:53 pm
I had a rant about cursive about a month ago. A woman at work was showing how well her daughter was doing writing cursive at school. I went on a tirade about 'who the hell uses cursive?' I then went around the office trying to find someone who actually uses it regularly. I tired myself out before I found someone... So being the contrary person I am, I then proceeded to write EVERYTHING in cursive for a week.  Yeah, that got old...

In elementary school I had a teacher who would give me a B- in handwriting. She said it was just so I could be on the honor roll. "You certainly didn't earn it."
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: CortJstr on November 07, 2007, 04:41:29 pm
Hey, let's bitch about D'Nealian some, too. At my mom's school they don't even teach printing any more. First and second graders start with D'Nealian and go to cursive from there. Supposedly if you skip printing and go straight to D'Nealian then to cursive it makes the transition to cursive easier. But most kids already have rudimentary printing skills that they learned at home, which just means that this is an extra step towards learning a form of writing that's pointless to begin with. My mom isn't allowed to teach regular printing. I guess kids are supposed to learn it from looking at Times New Roman all the time out in the real world.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Arachno-capitalist on November 07, 2007, 05:02:25 pm
Ok I jut looked at the D'nealian alphabet on the wikipedia and I cant tell how that is different from cursive.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: lprkn on November 07, 2007, 05:26:57 pm
Fact: If you want to learn Russian, you must learn to write in cursive. They do not print anything by hand.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 07, 2007, 05:29:21 pm
yeah, um, my handwriting is horrific. I have memories of being in elementary school, and just stuffing the Cursive Worksheets in the back of the desk and hoping my teacher never noticed.
She never did, and then I moved to a new school where they made me learn it.

Um, D'Nealian? I feel like this looks how i write my letters. I remember being weirdly upset when I learned that what I called Print was not actually print.

also: one of my friend's older brothers had such bad handwriting as a kid that they thought he was Developmentally Challenged. He had to go through all kinds of tests and stuff.

the way she tells this story makes it sound much more dramatic, because she says "they thought he was retarded." In truth, I too had to go all sorts of crazy tests and shit because they thought my horrible handwriting was indicative of something. Apparently it was, actually.
I also have a really clear memory of my 2nd grade teacher making me start a drawing over, because people aren't just a head with legs and arms. That made me so mad, man. I mean, I know they have bodies and feet and hands and stuff! That stuff is just really hard to draw.

now sometimes I write really neatly out of the blue, but most of time it's generally illegible.

also: weirdly, my Arabic handwriting is really really neat. At least, it was until I got better at it, when it suddenly became messy like my normal handwriting.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 07, 2007, 05:36:08 pm
Call me nuts, again, but cursive takes me longer. I have a psychological block against dotting the is and crossing the ts at the end... I have to do it in mid-write... and so it's slower for me, anyway. I don't know why. Unless I am consciously forcing myself, I dot and cross everything as I go. I can't unlearn that.

I used to believe that it had something to do with my being left-handed but other left-handed people tell me that's not the case.

I'm also told that I have very legible handwriting and printing for a left-handed person but that it is really not that much of a compliment, that most right-handed people consider left-handed peoples' handwriting completely unreadable and since I write ugly but essentially decipherable, I am near the top of my ilk.

I find these things interesting.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: pmcd9 on November 07, 2007, 07:10:07 pm
liked this better the first time around (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=02272004)

By golly you are right.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: pmcd9 on November 07, 2007, 07:17:54 pm
I remember back in kid times, I was told I was only allowed to have a bank account if I knew how to write in cursive, because according to mom and a bank teller "you must use cursive to fill out a check!"  Aparently cursive is a lot harder to forge?  So once I learned it I got a kid's savings account where I put my allowance.  The only time I use cursive now is for writting out checks.  A part of me thinks my checks wont be accepted unless they're filled out in cursive.  Eighty-dollars and Twelve Cents to the gass company calls for squiggles and loops you see.

Checks and cursive are both fast becoming obsolete. hmmm....
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: dejavroom on November 07, 2007, 09:32:45 pm
Clearly, we're entering a crasser, classless age.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: nDed on November 07, 2007, 09:34:07 pm
Wow, a lot of people really seem to dislike cursive. About what grade do most schools in the U.S. start teaching students how to write in cursive?
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: V-Adore on November 07, 2007, 09:55:09 pm
We started learning it in third grade.

I spent a lot of mental effort learning cursive, because I wanted to prove something to my third-grade teacher, who was the most hideous human being I've ever had to work with in a classroom. My handwriting was pretty bad in both printing and cursive, and she was a stickler, so she'd regularly send my worksheets back with instructions to "rewrite ten T's (or whatever) and hand this back in." I think I still use my hideous cursive to this day just to spite her.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Arachno-capitalist on November 07, 2007, 09:59:29 pm
I write in hybrid, but 90% in capital letters. This helps when writing in German because they have odd capitalization rules.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 07, 2007, 10:12:33 pm
My printing, even, has devolved into a really strange sort of font of its own, I write on paper so damned little.

I haven't used upper and lowercases in my printing in years, my handwriting sort of looks like... hm.

You remember the comic book "The Maxx"? You remember the handwritten scrawl titlecards from the November Rain video?

Imagine a cross between the two and you have my printing. It's godawful but in a handsome sort of way.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: wombat on November 07, 2007, 10:30:00 pm
No one has ever refused a check because I print instead of using cursive. I never heard of that rule.

Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: pmcd9 on November 07, 2007, 10:34:10 pm
No one has ever refused a check because I print instead of using cursive. I never heard of that rule.



Maybe it's just a Canadian rule.  I think I have some checks somewhere... in a drawer maybe.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: pmcd9 on November 07, 2007, 10:35:32 pm
You know what I love, a municipality that only accepts checks.  And you have to fax them the forms.

I really love that shit a whole bunch.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: jaydub on November 08, 2007, 12:10:46 am
You know what I love, a municipality that only accepts checks.  And you have to fax them the forms.
That topic ties in neatly with a thread involving Pat.  I suspect he would also require cursive, in one of the approved styles.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on November 08, 2007, 01:43:37 am
I write in hybrid, but 90% in capital letters. This helps when writing in German because they have odd capitalization rules.

What?  Capitalize the first letter of sentences and all nouns... no problem.
Verrückte Scheiße!
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Arachno-capitalist on November 08, 2007, 01:53:35 am
What?  Capitalize the first letter of sentences and all nouns... no problem.
Verrückte Scheiße!
But not I

and every german teacher uses this to point out how english is so selgiraffe
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: linnea on November 08, 2007, 02:33:50 am
Fact: If you want to learn Russian, you must learn to write in cursive. They do not print anything by hand.

That is totally true. Especially where I lived in Alaska, because none of the boat captains would type anything, they just wrote stuff by hand in Cyrillic cursive so all the Russian language students had to learn Russian cursive as well.

I have always had excellent penmanship and I love writing, calligraphy, and cursive. I have a degree in architecture and during our Lettering classes I just kicked the shit out of everyone else with my speed and precision. Then again, Kelli and I taught ourselves to read at the age of four and our dad was a land surveyor and golf course architect, so he also was extremely anal-retentive about his penmanship. I always aced cursive/handwriting class as a wee tot as well.

However, unless I'm in a really baroque mood I will always print when I write. It is faster for me to print than to write in cursive.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: KeithHernandez on November 08, 2007, 02:54:40 am
I write in hybrid, but 90% in capital letters. This helps when writing in German because they have odd capitalization rules.

Yeah, I got in trouble from my German teacher for doing this.  (well, a note on a quiz).

Sometimes I write in hell of messy cursive, usually print though, which is actually pretty good.  In second grade my teacher tried to make me stay in for recess because of my handwriting but my mom yelled at her hard since I basically made 100s on everything (or else my parents yelled at me.  Speaking of this, my parents were great at adapting to the "me being a fuck up" stage, when I go home they some times yell at my sister, who is a high school senior, for getting like 92s on her report cards.)

Also, one of my best friends is from Latvia and I have some other friends taking Russian, basically, they only right in cursive.  My roommate was taking Russian 1113 at the same time I was taking German 1113 and half of his semester was learning how to write. 
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 08, 2007, 03:39:45 am
Arabic is always in cursive.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: AugustWest on November 08, 2007, 04:24:12 am
No one has ever refused a check because I print instead of using cursive. I never heard of that rule.



I promise you that it's not in Article 3, 4 or 8 of the UCC.

see KRS 355.3-401(2)

Also, a rule that all checks must be in cursive would outlaw typed or printed checks. 

Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: chuanoplast on November 08, 2007, 06:49:02 am

I'm also told that I have very legible handwriting and printing for a left-handed person but that it is really not that much of a compliment, that most right-handed people consider left-handed peoples' handwriting completely unreadable and since I write ugly but essentially decipherable, I am near the top of my ilk.


I wish I had your penmanship! Nobody can even begin to understand the boggling complexity of my leftie handwriting. My print looks like cursive and my cursive looks like smeary bird poop.

The worst form of all cursive is cursive Chinese (http://www.chinese-outpost.com/language/images/characters/styles/NAN302B.GIF).


edit: Woops, bad link.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Doc on November 08, 2007, 09:52:55 am
Huh, while my writing is damn-near illegible if I'm writing by hand it's almost always cursive unless I'm wanting to be really sure that someone else will be able to read it. I think it's mainly a speed thing, if I'm taking notes or similar cursive is faster than printing.


The worst form of all cursive is cursive Chinese (http://"www.chinese-outpost.com/language/images/characters/styles/NAN302B.GIF").


AHHHHHHH! Though your link needs fixing.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: side_show on November 08, 2007, 02:12:46 pm
No one has ever refused a check because I print instead of using cursive. I never heard of that rule.

My mom has mental health problems and I was raised under a structure of a lot of irrational "rules" that I regularly find to be ones she made up.  I still stumble across these things I thought were requirements of living but were actually made up by her all the time.  This is probably one of them. 

In Canada cursive is also taught in grade three.

I quick survey of my coworker's desks shows that those 30 and under all print when note taking, while coworkers 40 and up all use cursive.   
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Turbo Ninja on November 08, 2007, 03:20:03 pm
Checks and cursive are both fast becoming obsolete. hmmm....

But chicks and cursing will ALWAYS be de la mode.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: jay-ell on November 08, 2007, 05:29:58 pm
I use a hybrid form of writing in which most of my letters are print-style but they are joined.  Also, for lowercase "r"s I use half-size capitals. 

I learned the rudiments of calligraphy when I was in the fourth grade, and that ruined my handwriting forever.  I do like that my writing is generally legible (if small) and does not remind me of CUNT-flavored bubblegum.  (For some reason all the popular girls in middle school had what I call "bubblegum" handwriting, that super-even, perfectly spaced handwriting that looks exactly like it should have all the i's dotted with tiny hearts.)  I feel like my handwriting is pretty gender-neutral.  Also, it is relatively unlike Comic Sans. 
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: wombat on November 08, 2007, 06:08:25 pm
I use a hybrid form of writing in which most of my letters are print-style but they are joined.   

Me too, but I always thought of it as 'half-assed'. I will adopt 'hybrid' instead.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 08, 2007, 06:52:46 pm
Yes, there is basically nothing better than an attractive lady who can really really swear.

Oh man.

And I'm not saying in a sex-talk way at all. I'm not particularly into the dirty talk.

But a lady who can outcurse you? You just have to respect the hell out of that.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Golfhaus on November 09, 2007, 01:20:43 am
I am left-handed, and my handwriting is atrocious. I have pretty much given up lowercase letters - my letters are all caps, just sized differently for when the situation calls for caps. In order to get married, I had to sign something in a manner in which my cursive name could be read. It took me two minutes to write three words. I could barely remember how to do it.

I had a teacher tell us we had to learn cursive because "in high school, that's all they use." No one in high school used cursive.

Let's face it, writing itself will be obsolete in fifty years. Kids will learn to type on Sesame Street. Parents will marvel at baby's first text message.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: colmore on November 11, 2007, 01:18:59 am
I think the real test is if you can remember how to make a cursive "z"

Or any of the cursive capitol letters.

Is there a term for printing fast and about a third of your letters becoming cursive?  Like having your 'e's and 'g's flow into the next letter if it can start with an upstroke.

Also mathematicians and engineers always write their lowercase ts to have the little curl on the bottom so as to avoid confusion with plus signs.  I've met a number of professional gallery artists who write in all caps and don't draw the spine on 'E's so they look like 3 parallel horizontals.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 11, 2007, 01:28:28 am
I can write a cursive Z, but never really knew any of the nutty capitals. Except the Q, because... that thing is insane.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Golfhaus on November 11, 2007, 01:37:11 am
I have a thing where I'm writing really fast, and a word like "the" will end up looking like "tle" with a line going directly from the bottom of the l into the start of the e. I say it's distinctive, everyone else says I just have shitty handwriting.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: AugustWest on November 11, 2007, 01:37:18 am
I can write a cursive Z, but never really knew any of the nutty capitals. Except the Q, because... that thing is insane.

It's a "2".
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 11, 2007, 01:47:46 am
I mean, yeah. That's why I say it's insane.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 11, 2007, 02:26:23 am
A cursive "z" is like... if the letter "e" was a 1780s-type fop.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: CortJstr on November 11, 2007, 02:28:36 am
The Q is the worst, but the capital F was clearly designed by a person totally unfamiliar with latin letters.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: side_show on November 11, 2007, 02:55:59 pm
I got a letter from the SO's grandma on Friday, entirely in small, tidy cursive.  Basically it was telling us that her and grandpa are moving to a condo and that grandpa needs oxygen all the time now.  We had seen them less than a week before, and they can call us any time, so it was strange and charming to get a letter from her.  I was thinking a letter, handwritten on stationary, is like getting something from an archaeological dig.  I could understand it, but it felt like there was a lot of distance there - the span of time it took to get to me being only part of it, the distance of generations between us undeniable.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: colmore on November 11, 2007, 05:52:03 pm
I think there's definitely a connection between the general quality of handwriting and the economics of letter-sending.

Before railroads, and in the tree-stump filled wilderness of the Eastern US, frequently before ROADS in the late 1700s and early 1800s letters were expensive and took forever to get where they were going, so people put a lot of time and effort into their letter writing.

I've seen a magazine article from the 1870s about how railroads and "instant" delivery of communication were killing the art of letter writing and how with the transcontinental railroad complete and post getting less expensive, letters were getting shorter and much less formal.  It read a lot like modern laments.

Once you get desktop publishing, and any individual has powers over reproduced documents similar to those of a small printing outfit, the value of a handwritten manuscript has just fallen through the floor.  Combine that with the way America has shed a lot of traditional class signifiers since the 30s (the strange world where a man making $80,000 a year and a man making $8,000,000 a year both shoot to be living similar "middle class" existences that differ only in scale.) Baroque handwriting has vanished in kind of the same way that compulsory Ancient Greek at upper-crust colleges has.  And for more or less the same reasons.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 11, 2007, 07:16:16 pm
damn, dude, I totally took hell of Latin. No Greek, though, it won't fit in my schedule.


also: I want to wear a suit every day. That is so classy, man. Wearing a suit, damn.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: AugustWest on November 11, 2007, 07:42:49 pm

also: I want to wear a suit every day. That is so classy, man. Wearing a suit, damn.

Meh.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 11, 2007, 07:45:31 pm
I'll take "comfortable" over "classy" every day of the week and twice on a bag of chips.

I'm mixing my metaphors, here, but you get my idea.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 11, 2007, 07:50:11 pm
i mean, ok. I don't want to wear a suit everyday now. I want to wear a suit everyday back when that was basically normal.

I want to wear a suit everyday in an old black and white movie, is what I am saying.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: kellichou on November 11, 2007, 08:07:55 pm
I use a lot more deposit tickets than checks, too.  I just asked my bank for some extra books of just deposit slips.  Fixed that problem! 

And my heart goes out to ya, Smells (in response to your previous comment that you've realized a lot of these "rules" were just crazy ones made up by yer old lady).  I see that with some of my own students, and man, does it suck.  I just wanna grab the kid by the shoulders and tell them that they're doing real well considering their effed-up circumstances, that they're a great kid, and shit will only get better from here on out--especially once they're of age and can leave their crazy parents' house.

What's a check?

Actually I wish my band would sell me a book of deposit slips. Because a book of checks has 25 checks and like 6 deposit slips. 25 checks last me 12-18 months, but I use 2 deposit slips a month (for the SO's half of the rent) so I run out of those pretty much immediately. If my building let us pay the rent online like the fancier apartment buildings I don't think I'd need checks at all.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: AugustWest on November 11, 2007, 08:20:00 pm
In my bank there are tables with stacks of blank deposit tickets.  I'm pretty sure they don't mind if you take a handful with you.  They've never said anything to me...

Of course, you've got to fill in your account number and all, but it still works fine.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: linnea on November 11, 2007, 08:39:55 pm
In my bank there are tables with stacks of blank deposit tickets.  I'm pretty sure they don't mind if you take a handful with you.  They've never said anything to me...

Of course, you've got to fill in your account number and all, but it still works fine.

The bank will print up some extra books, especially for you, with your pre-printed account number on them. All you have to do is ask if they can give you some extra preprinted deposit slips.
It is way easier for their proof department if you use preprinted deposit slips, so I think that's why they just hand 'em out.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Golfhaus on November 11, 2007, 09:56:49 pm
also: I want to wear a suit every day. That is so classy, man. Wearing a suit, damn.

When I first started my current job, I wore a tie every day. People would tell me to loosen up a bit, but I didn't for a while. Then I stopped wearing ties when I was in office, but wore them when I was teaching a class. Now I only wear a tie if I know someone important will be coming to the office.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Ben-San on November 11, 2007, 11:18:18 pm
I want to wear a suit everyday in an old black and white movie, is what I am saying.

Also a hat when not indoors.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 11, 2007, 11:25:23 pm
necessarily.

The love of suits is also just that... loosening the tie and rolling up the sleeves of a nice shirt is somehow even more bad-assly casual than just wearing a t-shirt, you know?

I mean, that is what I will be doing while my wife vacuums in pearls and high heels and my kids experiment with drugs and rock music, which I disapprove of and don't understand.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: CortJstr on November 12, 2007, 02:15:35 am
In my bank there are tables with stacks of blank deposit tickets.  I'm pretty sure they don't mind if you take a handful with you.  They've never said anything to me...

Of course, you've got to fill in your account number and all, but it still works fine.

My bank stopped that for a while. They made you ask at the counter for blank deposit slips and would only give you one or two. I don't know why. Recently they started putting them out on the tables again.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: littlefallsmets on November 12, 2007, 02:47:22 am
Perhaps people were taking them so as to make paper mache bankers and fill them with candy.

That they might be smashed to ribbons by blindfolded children in effigy.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: jaydub on November 12, 2007, 07:05:20 am
Also a hat when not indoors.
Almost always - although this is unusual enough in our society today that my work acquaintances (those who distantly know me) refer to me as "the hat guy".
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: pmcd9 on November 12, 2007, 09:54:34 am
I push the button that says call teller on it.  I say "I need a deposit slip and a pen please."  Where it says account number I put my social security number on and a note that says "ckg. acct. plz look up nbr."
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Arachno-capitalist on November 12, 2007, 10:13:14 am
I push the button that says call teller on it.  I say "I need a deposit slip and a pen please."  Where it says account number I put my social security number on and a note that says "ckg. acct. plz look up nbr."
"Ckg AKUNT LOLZ look up #, BRB N00B"
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: jay-ell on November 12, 2007, 03:04:06 pm
My bank (credit union) doesn't use deposit slips.  We just write our account number on the back of the check, right under the endorsement. 

It's weird, and I was a little thrown when I first switched over, but it's certainly more convenient than having to fill out a form every time I want to give myself money.  Also, I have my account number memorized now.  That seems like a useful thing to know in a pinch. 
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Golfhaus on November 12, 2007, 03:25:39 pm
We just slide our check into the slot on the ATM - no deposit slip, not even a friggin' ENVELOPE, which kinda weirded me out at first. We don't even have to tell the ATM what amount the check is for - it scans it and reads it and all we have to do is verify the amount.

Of course, now we're set up for online bill pay and direct deposit, and theoretically could go months without ever going to a bank or writing a check.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: jay-ell on November 12, 2007, 04:06:33 pm
Of course, now we're set up for online bill pay and direct deposit, and theoretically could go months without ever going to a bank or writing a check.

Us too, except we have to pay for preschool by check.  But I can handle writing one check a month -- the rest of the bills take me about an hour once a month.  That includes recording the current balances on each of our credit cards, car payment, and numerous student loans and entering them in a spreadsheet that tracks our monthly debt and graphs it over time.  That part, actually, takes longer than the actual bill pay (which takes about 10 minutes). 

We also opted out of paper statements everywhere we can, so I get 75% of my bills exclusively online.  Save a tree, and that way if the statement doesn't come before I'm  ready to pay the bills I don't end up being surprised by the amount. 

I got my Mom into online bill pay, too.  She was reluctant to change the system she'd been using for 25 years, but now she loves it.  She still gets paper statements from most people but also has online access to all her accounts because they travel a lot in the summer. 

Online banking is awesome, is the point here. 
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: side_show on November 12, 2007, 04:24:53 pm
I have recently tried to sign up for on-line payment with the company that provides our internet, phone and cable. 

I went to their site.  "Please input your 6 or 11 digit account number"  Looks at 8 digit account number.  Clearly labelled "account number" on the statement.  Hmmm.  Inputs 8 digit account number.  "Sorry that number is incorrect.  Account numbers are either 6 or 11 digits long."  Hmm.  Looks at statement again, checks second page where again "account number" is listed and is indeed 8 digits long.  Checks date on statement - indeed this is this month's statement.  Clicks on "help" section, looks under "where to find your account number."  The instructions indicate to look in the top right hand area.  Which is where the same 8 digit number, labelled "account number" is.  Reenters account number, dropping off the first two digits to make it 6... "that account number does not exist.  Sorry you're having trouble.  Please enter your 6 or 11 digit account number. Or call 1-866...."  Sighs.  Dials number.  The automated system announces a 20-25 minute wait and suggest going on-line.  "All you need is your account number!"  Sighs.  Hangs up.  Writes check.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: wombat on November 12, 2007, 04:57:44 pm
Isn't it kind of unnerving when your internet company can't seem to design a website that is actually functional?  Ours is like that too.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Arachno-capitalist on November 12, 2007, 05:01:53 pm
Isn't it kind of unnerving when your internet company can't seem to design a website that is actually functional?  Ours is like that too.
My bank's website is really juvenile. Also, its shut down from like 10pm-7am every night. Regis Philbmin (sp) is their spokesperson, I guess 10pm is past his bed time.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: theinevitable on November 12, 2007, 05:33:49 pm
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We just slide our check into the slot on the ATM - no deposit slip, not even a friggin' ENVELOPE, which kinda weirded me out at first. We don't even have to tell the ATM what amount the check is for - it scans it and reads it and all we have to do is verify the amount.

Of course, now we're set up for online bill pay and direct deposit, and theoretically could go months without ever going to a bank or writing a check.

Man, what bank do you use? that is some futuristic shit.
I use Bank of America here and I hate it. Mostly because my dad worked for Wachovia for the last 10 years of my life, before retiring last year...

also: my dad started work again, and... I have no idea who he works for. I think it's an internet finance type company? I am not sure how I can ever learn this information.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: CortJstr on November 12, 2007, 06:22:33 pm
I'm considering switching to PNC for their totally free ATM service where they even refund the money that some other bank charges you for using their ATM. The only problem with this is that the SO gives me her half of the rent as a check and there aren't any PNCs near my work.
Title: Re: 7th November 2007 - They said he was gay. He said he would prove it.
Post by: Golfhaus on November 13, 2007, 12:18:14 am
Man, what bank do you use? that is some futuristic shit.
I use Bank of America here and I hate it. Mostly because my dad worked for Wachovia for the last 10 years of my life, before retiring last year...

also: my dad started work again, and... I have no idea who he works for. I think it's an internet finance type company? I am not sure how I can ever learn this information.

I use... Bank of America. This awesome ATM is at the branch just over the state line in Lake Wylie; I honestly have no idea how prevalent Tomorrow ATM! is elsewhere, but it seems that Charlotte would have the best in ATM technology all over the place. Which doesn't help you during the school year, I know, but...