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[pmcd9]

"CAPTAIN! The engines! If they end up working, that's totally because I'm so awesome I didn't even have to try! If they don't, I wasn't even trying because you don't get me at all and fuck you that's why! I'll totally aim my escape pod toward my old college roommate's apartment and crash on the couch until my next trust fund check comes through!"

Oh, that was good.  Now can you explain it to us as a Star Wars analogy?

[AugustWest]

It is more like:

"CAPTAIN! The engines! If they end up working, that's totally because I'm so awesome I didn't even have to try! If they don't, I wasn't even trying because you don't get me at all and fuck you that's why! I'll totally aim my escape pod toward my old college roommate's apartment and crash on the couch until my next trust fund check comes through!"

Also:



AAAAHHHHHH!!!

[Dangermoose]

Jesus, this "I hate artists who act as if they don't give a fuck but will take the credit if it comes out well" objection is broad enough to encompass all of the best rock & roll back to the Stones and Dylan.  Really?  

{Edited to clarify what I think is the objection}

[littlefallsmets]

The Stones were just dudes who stumbled on a formula that worked and stuck with it.

It was kind of a shame in some ways but it is hardly worth a jug of Haterade.

Dylan, though, yes. Dylan is hella what I am talking about.

The dance of "I want all the advantages of mainstream success but also want to pretend that I am actually still underground" fashion-as-music-as-fashion thing that... has, of course, always existed in popular music but accelerated in the Sixties when pop music started directly appropriating fringe movements instead of white-washing the hell out of a fringe trends and then handing them over to house writers for processing and giving those songs to good clean boys and so on.

The idea of fringe/underground/independent movements not as their own entities, even to the artists within them, but as a minor league system feeding directly to the mainstream and a means-to-an-end platform to launch you up to being a pop star that... again... had existed for a while but finally metastasized (meta-stasized?) with the grunge movement with Cobain as its metaphorical and perhaps literal Jesus.

[arkabee]

Shellac. They just sound good. Shellac in particular is fun to say.

amen brudda.

variable-irony-level shielding would  make a good band name.

hell yes.

[pmcd9]

You see Mike, you should be sending this shit to Pitchfork.  It's totally being wasted on us.

[pmcd9]

No, no...that's a whole other set of problems you've stepped on, Paul!

Yeah, you're right.  Mark me off 15 yards for taunting.

[wombat]

Have they come up yet with a drug for over-thinking?

[arkabee]

Have they come up yet with a drug for over-thinking?

robutussin.

so, i'm listening to Arcade Fire's ready to go right now.
in my head.
because i can't get the fuck*ng thing out.
heard it a couple of times on the radio,
now i'm downloading it.

i want to hate the band, so, we'll so how it goes.

[littlefallsmets]

Wait... I'm ranting against the kind of preciously-meta hipster bullshit that Pitchfork tends to champion.

But I don't know Pitchfork super-well.

Do they use the kind of logic I'm using to eat their own when the artists they champion get a radio hit on their third album and then completely disown them?

Because, then, I agree that my powers could be used for that kind of evil but I'd rather just rip on the damn first album, not pretend that it is great because it is the new thing.

[robot_god]

Ya know what, there actually shouldn't be any new music.  Enough is enough, people, get a real job.

[Choop]

mike i know a nice little shack in the woods that comes with its own typewriter, just let me know when you're ready to write your manifesto and i can hook you up with my realtor buddy

[littlefallsmets]

My current situation  is so close to a shack in the woods, man, I have to turn your kindness down.

[pmcd9]

Do they use the kind of logic I'm using to eat their own when the artists they champion get a radio hit on their third album and then completely disown them?

Well sometimes, probably, but more importantly they like long winded circuitous record reviews by reviewers with strong opinions.  You are definitely the man for the job.  They used to have a section where you could audition for employment by reviewing something that they haven't reviewed previously.  It may have been just a ruse to get a lot of classic albums reviewed for free, but it's worth a shot anyway.  I don't see the link to submit reviews on there anymore.  They must have removed it once they became a big deal in the music industry. 

[miles]

I predict LFM will hate Pitchfork.