im sorry you didnt get any Christmas presents, but how is that our collective fault?
tl:dr.
When I am younger, ok, sure, but not so much now. Maybe I change, maybe they change. who knows?
But taken as a group, you represent something more tragic, something more pathetic, and more dangerous.
On another note, pugs are the most pointless dogs ever, I hate them. Anything bred to the point that it has a LOWER quality of life than it's ancestors but kinda looks cute is a terrible indictment on humans and our selgiraffeness.
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/pugs/pug4_350x350.jpg)
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/pugs/pug4_350x350.jpg)
SO I HAVE THIS IDEA RIGHT
YOU GUYS THERE ARE SOME OF YOU RIGHT WHO HAVE A COMMUNITY OF SORTS A TOUAMB COMMUNITY
EVEN SOME OF THE LURKERS WHO NEVER POST AT ALL THEY SOME OF THEM MAYBE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY KIND OF IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WATCH A TV SHOW SITCOM DRAMA WHATEVER ABOUT PEOPLE WHO YOU NEVER INTERACT WITH PRETTY SOON YOU START TO TAKE AN INTEREST
SO HERE IS MY THING
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE TOUAMB COMMUNITY AND MOVE IT TO SOME OTHER BOARD ON SOME OTHER url. YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME MODERATORS AND EVERYTHING/
REASON WHY
BECAUSE IF TOUAMB WAS JUST ABOUT ACHEWOOD, THEN IT WOULD DEVELOP AND FLOURISH MORE
BECAUSE IMPLICIT IN THE DYNAMICS OF THE ACHEWOOD AREA OF TOUMB, IMPLICIT IN THE INTERACTIONS, IS ALL THAT TOUAMB COMMUNITY DYNAMICS.
AND I AM NOT DISSING ON TOUAMB COMMUNITY, I AM JUST POINTING OUT THAT TOUAMB DYNAMICS IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST FOR DEVELOPING achewood COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY OF SCHOLARS ON ACHEWOOD SUBJECT
WHEN A BUNCH OF SCIENTISTS GO TO A CONFERENCE THEY DON'T BRING THEIR PERSONAL LIVES WITH THEM. THEY ARE AT THE CONFERENCE FOR THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND. SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE FRIENDS, BUT MANY OF THEM ARE NOT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO SORT OF SEPARATE THE PROFESSIONAL SUBJECT FROM THE PERSONAL SUBJECTS.
AND MY POINT IS THAT TOUAMB TOO MUCH CO-MINGLES THE PERSONAL LIVES OF THE PARTICI##### WITH THESE PARTICI##### INSIGHTS AND EXPLORATIONS OF ACHEWOOD. AND THAT'S TOO BAD, BECAUSE THAT CO-MINGLING MAKES YOUR INSIGHTS AND EXPLORATIONS TO SOME DEGREE INACCESSIBLE TO MOST PEOPLE, NO DIFFERENT THAN IF SOME SCIENTISTS GOT TOGETHER AT A CONFERENCE AND PEPPERED THEIR PAPERS AND PRESENTATIONS WITH INSIDE JOKES THAT ONLY A HANDFUL OF THEM UNDERSTOOD.
THERE NEEDS TO BE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AN EFFORT TO DEVELOP A COMMON LANGUAGE OF ACHEWOOD, AND SO, SOME EFFORT NEEDS TO BE ENCOURAGED ON THE PART OF EVERYONE TO SOMEWHAT DIVORCE THEIR PERSONAL LIVES FROM THIS LANGUAGE OF ACHEWOOD.
THIS WOULD BE IN ONSTAD'S BEST INTEREST IF A MORE ACHEWOOD-CENTRIC LANGUAGE AND COMMUNITY CAN BE DEVELOPED, AND IT WOULD BE IN THE FAN'S BEST INTERESTS, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE FANS ARE INTERESTED IN ACHEWOOD AS A STAND-ALONE PIECE OF CULTURE. i DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME FANS ARE INTERESTED AS MUCH IN THE INTERPERSONAL INTERACTION WITH OTHER FANS AS THEY ARE WITH ACHEWOOD, AND ACHEWOOD IS KINDA MORE OF AN EXCUSE TO GET TOGETHER, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS KINDA LIMITS THE EXTENT TO HOW BIG THE 'ACHEWOOD' COMMUNITY CAN GROW TO HOW BIG A PARTICULAR CLIQUE OF FRIENDS CAN GROW.
sO THAT'S WHY i'M SAYING THERE SHOULD BE ONLY ONE TOUAMB COMMUNITY, AND IT SHOULD BE DEDICATED ONLY -- *only* -- TO DEVELOPMENT OF IDEAS AND DISCUSSION ***about achewood**** AND THEN OVER IN SOME OTHER FORUM, SHOULD BE THE TOUAMB MUTUAL CIRCLE JERK COMMITTEE OF FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES WHO LIKE TO GET TOGETHER AND EXCHANGE PICTURES OF EACH OTHER'S PFLAME THROWING DILDO EXHAUST SYSTEMS, AND IN YET A THIRD, AND A FOURTH, AND A FIFTH FORUM YOU COULD HAVE OTHER COMMUNTIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT TO BE INTERESTED IN, THAT WOULD BE FINE IF touamb CAN HELP PEOPLE FIND EACH OTHER AND CONNECT ON A INTERPERSONAL LEVEL, RIGHT, BUT AT THE POINT WHERE THOSE INTERPERSONAL CONNECTIONS BECOME SO STRONG AND INTENSE THAT YOU ALL START TO WANT TO HAVE EACH OTHER'S BABIES, THEN IT BECOMES A DISTRACTION TO THE CENTRAL MISSION OF SPREADING THE ACHEWOOD GOSSAPPLE, AND IT'S TIME TO GET A ROOM IN A FORUM SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THANK YOU TOUAMB BITCHES FOR READING MY SUGGESTION TODAY OF WHY YOU ALL SUCJ SO MUCH AND WHY I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO HELL AND DIE AND WHY I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND SEE INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION OF ACHEWOOD AND NOT THE WANK FEST OF BARBIE BREAST IMPLANT POPULAR CULTURE MY SPUSE HAS ADD CRY CRY I GOT PROMOTED TODAY AT WORK WANK WANK SPLUT SPLAT CETERA AND CETERA AND CETERA AD NAUSEUM AD INFINITUM AD HOC AD GAG AD PRICK AD ASS AD SO ON.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAD9JHqgYAg)
your pugs are basically the BBcode equivalent of
AM NOT
AM SO
AM NOT
AM SO
I mean, shit, the government allows you people to have kids?
well thanks Drygioni but unfortunately my "chris" account has been banned. Either it was banned on purpose, or it was simply banned because it used an IP address that was banned... It looks to me like once an IP is banned, any account that logs in from that IP gets automatically banned as well. A number of my ISP's IPs have been banned...
Don't do this, RatChris. Not on Kwanzaa.
aglets, from the 10/17/09 strip:
meow (http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uuaMx2mGq)
Jason, maybe it's no fun for us because you don't really bother us all that much. Yeah, you're an asshole and annoying and you post dumb ass shit, but so what? The only thing that separates you from every other troll this board has known is your insane persistence. You are almost amusing in that regard.
And now the whole thing is sweeter knowing that we have frustrated you. We are getting more enjoyment out of your trolling than you are. Love it.
Hey, I'm gonna be in your town tomorrow. Let's meet up for coffee.
Or dinner. The man makes an impressive meatloaf.
In Soviet Russia, message board trolls Jason.
Really? You call that impressive. I'll make a real meatloaf. Hell, his doesn't even fill the pan.
why the f is everyone calling me Jason? You don't just assume someone's name is Jason without asking them first!
And how do you know I live in Chicago?
yeah tomorrow doesn't work so good. I appreciate the offer but I have to be home because some guy is coming over to adjust the heating system. and I'm really sick. Getting better, but it's just insane how much snot I'm producing. and I'm tired. I should maybe try to map out which radiators are on which circuits, but it's hard to give a shit when you're sick. Especially since this whole house is a money pit anyway. I'm trying to explain to my buddy that he needs to find a financial adviser so the adviser can tell him what a fuck*ng stupid idea this house is. problem is my friend is in the habit of not heeding much outside council. which is why he bought this house without asking my opinion for example. A few months after he bought it, I come over and I'm looking at it for the first time, and I notice that this one room is in fact separating from the house. It's apparently a porch that got converted into a bedroom. So my friend remarks that wow!--I'm very sharp and observant. He didn't notice that until the property inspector pointed it out. I'm like... what? You can see an abundance of fuck*ng daylight coming in through the wall, and you didn't notice that??? So eventually I wound up climbing into the attic to investigate the various animals that were living up there, and I find that there is this insane mix of new and old-ass wiring, and every single junction box has wiring spilling out of it, and half the connections are made with electrical tape instead of wire nuts, and I'm like, damn, this place is a fire waiting to happen. The gutters are separating from the roof, the eaves are separating so squirrels can get in no problem, the siding was redone, so it's new siding that is covering up an impending disaster. I fixed the eaves along one short stretch and when I was done I found the siding wouldn't fit because the siding was fitted for the eaves such as they were. My friend finished a room in the basement. It could have easily been a rectangle, but instead one corner is like 115 degrees while the other is 65 or so... I'm like... WTF? You didn't notice this? pipes are leaking, but he merely built the sheetrock around them... and get this... he installed... no electrical... so later on he hired someone to retrofit some electrical in the room... I'm like... wtf... turns out it's illegal to build anything in the basement anyway, because the basement is a few inches shy of 7 feet...
all this and more can be yours for a mere $1400 a month. (*taxes and utilities and other fees not included) The mortgage is presently almost 50% underwater... I'm like... dude... I know it will be bad for your credit score, but you probably need to walk away from this shit ASAP. In the long run it will be good for your credit, and your financial situation. But of course, rather than worry about reality, go ahead and just keep on keeping on or something? I dunno. That's the American dream I guess, in it's truest sense... To blindly go where everyone has gone before. And to use 500% interest payday loans to pay for it.
And the worst of it is, my friend's immigration status is iffy, so each year he has to get an authorization to work letter renewed from the INS, and each year, they are well over *6 months late* sending it (because they're the government in general, and they're the INS in particular,) and each year his employer would get all nervous about it... and I'm like... under these conditions, you bought a fuck*ng house? And then sure enough last year the INS never got around to sending the letter, and so it wasn't until he got fired from his job for failing to provide proof of authorization to work that he finally got on the INS's ass to get that authorization sent, which they finally did I guess, which of course didn't get him his job back, so now he's working a different job that sucks more. Afterwards he's like 'I probably could have gotten on the INS's case earlier than I did about the letter.'
It's like dude... where is your margin of error in anything in your life? You have zero savings, in fact you have every credit card maxed out, you take out payday loans, you buy a house and are totally unable to afford even the most basic of maintenance, and the house is so run down that the only people who will agree to rent it are going to people who have no other options, who have no reliable income. It's in a gang infested neighborhood, the whole neighborhood looks like property values will only go down.
I'm sympathetic to the difficulties inherent in adjusting to a new life in a new culture, but I mean shit, this guy is clinical.. ADD or something.
anyway, I moved in with my friend for the hell of it - I pay him a little for rent, and I thought maybe I could help him learn how to fix the place up. It didn't work out that way, I did wind up doing some stuff for him, but I don't think he acquired any skills in the process, and not even the shadow of a hint of a cogent overall plan for renovating the house (much less the financing for it) has emerged. Well, I learned a little bit more about electrical codes and I learned about some issues associated with older houses that I wasn't aware of, and most of all I learned that to tear down even one small section of old-school plaster wall is some shit that you do not want to get involved in if you can help it.
so that's why I'm too busy to meet for coffee. my buddy has some maintenance plan with the gas company and they are going to come over and adjust the radiators so this one room that is too cold will be hotter. The tenants on the 2nd floor were complaining about it. If it can be adjusted it's probably something simple but I ain't about to mess with that shit - the whole system is teetering on the point of collapse... all rusted, leaking, the radiators caked with layer upon layer of paint and dirt and grime. The tenants have slowly slipped from paying my buddy rent up front for the month (always a week or so late) to paying it piece meal one week at a time. My buddy got a job now where he's on the road a lot, so I have to collect the rent. I'm like, whatever. If they show up with the money, I take it from them, and I write them a receipt from a receipt book, but I don't go knocking asking them for it. My buddy has a phone, and the tenants finally got their phone turned back on too, so now my buddy can harass them for the rent over the phone, but that ain't my fuckin' deal. So every other week or so I'll go drop whatever they gave me in my buddy's bank account. But really I haven't had to do that too often because they simply don't pay rent that often, and my buddy is usually home every other week or so anyway so mostly I can just give it to him. My buddy usually doesn't write them a receipt when they give him rent, I guess because that would be a level of organization that would help avert problems, and when you have ADD you don't want any sort of organization in your life. So I have no idea how far behind they are on rent, but I don't ask either. It ain't my thing.
The dude knows how to make some tasty catgiraffe though:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/2521055897_88e590736f.jpg)
I see. so f1sh translates into g1raffe, which makes no sense. See that... I'm hedging my bets in case g1raffe translates into something else... you can't trick a trickster!!! muha ha ha ha(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)(http://www.bobbyisosceles.com/images/parrot_avatar.gif)
okay whatever people. you shouldn't equate the frequency with which I refer to my own world nor the length of my soliloquies with my attachment thereto.
I care about you all. sort of. I'm just a little dyslexic. I have trouble 'connecting' via ASCII. I'm more of a face to face person. I mean, I can 'connect' via ASCII... let's see... when's the last time I connected with someone via ASCII... okay, there was that one girl I met on that dating site... we connected well via ASCII... then after we met in person it became readily apparent to both of us that we were both... not normal. Something about prefrontal cortex or one of those parts of the brain, I forget which. She was from West Virginia, you see... I learned from her that the background of the Nice Pete character is incredibly spot on.. I don't know where Onstad gets his material from but if you think he's making that stuff up I assure you he's probably not. There's something in the water in West Virgina... namely, all sorts of pollutants from the petro-chemical and coal industries...
okay who else... oh... yeah, my friend from Hungary... She and I always got along well in ASCII, and when we finally met in person, we got along fine as well. She might be the only friend I ever made over the internet. And I'm currently corresponding with a gentleman in Oregon, we seem to be connecting on some level.
So it's possible for me to connect. It just kinda depends on the environment and context, I guess. Kinda like IRL there are some settings where a person might be more or less likely to form connections... e.g. like a club or bar setting might be second nature to some, while others might not 'get' the norms and protocols and so on of such a setting, while meanwhile, someone else might be totally ill at ease and unable to relate in the context of a mensa get together. Although, if you're looking to pick up a date, I can't imagine a mensa metting as being ideal. Unless you're a #*#*# or something. Al gore. ha ha
you complained because we talk about stuff that isnt achewood, but you keep posting shit in the non-achewood topics.
I've a sneaking suspicion that he may be performing this hypocritical act in an attempt to annoy or rile us. A wind-up, if you will.
I'm starting to get the feeling that's all he's here to do as opposed to actually wanting to integrate with our community >:(
I would get so much tail at a Mensa gathering.
Mensa gender ratios indicate there isn't much tail to be had. (http://www.us.mensa.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/AboutMensa/Demographics/Demographics.htm)
It's sort of like here, only, you know, more bloated with self importance.
It is, in fact, for the lulz.
now if you don't mind, i have to get back to my H4X0R ECONOMIST. (http://www.rdwarf.com/users/kioh/)
When I was a kid and i heard about the ball dropping, I thought it was going to be dropped from a building and explode on impact. Boy was I disappointed.
Happy New Years, people. Let us close the book on this decade of war and calamity.
so anyway. is 2010 now. my swine fluenza is getting better. remarkably rapid progression to the 'full immune response' stage... only 24 hours versus the normal 3 or 4 days... which was nice, because until you get to that stage, then you have kinda pain like sore throat and aches and pains and vomit and such... once you get to that stage, however, you are then in recovery mode, and all you has to worry about is lots of snot. but odd thing is I has been stuck in 'full immune response recovery' mode for like, several days now... oh well. strange flu. I guess you never know what will happen when someone goes and fucks a pig. pig fuck*ng, an ages old symbiotic activity, coupled with modern air travel, is worst than terrorism. we might have to rethink who is the terrorists now it is the pig fuckers.
happy new years all
don't y'all go fuck*ng no pigs now
But if you do believe that pig coitus is what caused this entire thing, then I present you with PATIENT ZERO. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7484672075963104843#)
so basically cannibal chickens would be protected from the flu. heh heh.
yeah basically modern hog farms are kind of like an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters... sooner or later, you get killer Shakespeare... or a killer virus... I've read that some of those hog farms down in mexico have personnel who will stop you before you can get within 100 yards of the place because they know that a person can easily transmit a virus to the flock... conditions are so cramped that once one pig has it, they all have it...
all this fuckin' technology, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_IkUysQASQ) eh...
wtf your bantown connections
wow I just discovered this thing called game harassment it's on youtube it's where you go into a multiplayer game and you just fuck shit up and kill people when they least expect it or you play stupid sounds over the chat over and over again until they constantly expect it and then you stop and they can't concentrate because they are expecting the sound again. man, I think I feel like Christopher Columbus must have felt when he discovered the indiands. Except that I haven't been able to find the key to my gun case for about a year now except for a couple months ago when I had it and then lost it again somewhere on my desk. It's here somewhere.
wow I just discovered this thing called game harassment it's on youtube it's where you go into a multiplayer game and you just fuck shit up and kill people when they least expect it or you play stupid sounds over the chat over and over again until they constantly expect it and then you stop and they can't concentrate because they are expecting the sound again. man, I think I feel like Christopher Columbus must have felt when he discovered the indiands. Except that I haven't been able to find the key to my gun case for about a year now except for a couple months ago when I had it and then lost it again somewhere on my desk. It's here somewhere.
Dude. Panel four. (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01272005)
Learn it. Love it. Live it.
Such a naive and simplistic maxim is utterly impractical and unworkable in real life. It's impossible for everyone to get what they want all of the time. One of the very definitions of what is art is that which challenges people's preconceptions. The "don't be a cock to a stranger" standard not only dictates that Manson should not dress the way he does because it offends and worries the piss out of such stooges as O'Rilley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6n5Oi4714o), but also dictates that Manson shouldn't even express any ideas which might be contrary to or otherwise upsetting to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P27cnBizD7U) an imbecile's world view. You've perhaps not considered carefully enough if the fact that you believe that you can pretend to know when and where the rights of and the benefit to society stop and the mission of the artist starts might perhaps be yet another example of someone being a "cock to a stranger" or perhaps even of someone being a cock to that collective of strangers that is society at large. It's a dangerous standard that smacks of autocracy and seems untenable.
random thoughts:
we can posit that humor is perhaps an evolved and/or built-in advantage, one which pushes us to explore potentially stressful situations, thereby better preparing us for such situations.
A retard on a bus scene in a movie is more funny if you can suspend disbelief, bringing yourself to contemplate the scene as if it's played out by real persons who really are trapped there, instead of by actors. It's easier to do this in the case of a Tom Green skit, because presumably Tom Green doesn't use actors, he victimizes real people. It's funny because there's no escape.
Speaking of docs dropping, it's interesting to note the popular web site http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ whose only function is to drop docs. There are a lot of arguments to be made for and against dox dropping having any value or serving any purpose, and the docs on this site really run the full gamut. Personally, I find the weekly mug shots to be in rather poor taste, essentially putting people and their misfortunes on display like animals in a zoo for our own entertainment.
This page (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0803091pranknet1.html) is rather unique in their archive. "Outing An Online Outlaw -- A TSG investigation unmasks the leader of Pranknet and the miscreants behind a year-long wave of phone call criminality"
I tend to agree with you that a central point here is the question of if we exist on a local or non-local level or not.
Once when I was an exchange student for a year, I was on a car trip with my adoptive family, and we're driving along, in a Peugeot or some such, and it had these funky seat controls whereby you rotate a big ass wheel at the base of the seat to incline or recline the seat back. So I am sitting in back, and one of the sons is sitting in the front passenger seat, so I start reclining his seat, one click at a time, until some 20 minutes later, he finally becomes conscious of what his subconscious had been pondering, and knowing my sense of humor, immediately deduces what's going on without even looking, curses me, and rotates the knob back to normal. To me that was funny as all hell.
What all that has to do with this conversation, I'm not sure, except that obviously it was a local environment that we were operating in.
But are we living in small groups? Well, yes and no. A lot of this humor explores the dynamics of large anonymous groups that we find ourselves in more and more these days. I mean, in the old days, you knew everyone on a party (shared) telephone line. They were your nearest neighbors. Now, you click onto a shared voice conference session and who knows who might be on there. It could be someone in China.
It really seems like a moot point to argue that because X model of cooperation worked in a local setting for thousands of years, we should apply it in the non-local settings we increasingly find ourselves in. Part of the reason that these models (especially the more elaborate ones) work is that the setting is local, and there is feedback in the system in the form of consequences. So much humor relies on exploring what would happen if someone acted in an unexpected manner, e.g. if someone did something that the cooperation model doesn't predict that they will do, or even something that the model (or past experience) predicts they won't do.
So I mean, take the case of a Ventrillo chat, you have a bunch of people chatting together... they're playing a game together... them along comes someone playing the game with them who all of a sudden starts team killing everyone... and then for good measure playing wacky sound clips on the Ventrillo chat. None of the locals would do that, but this asshole isn't part of the local group. For whatever reasons, the consequences that apply to everyone else don't apply to him. The people who designed the game assumed that everyone playing would be interested in winning, and in socializing. Bad assumption. I'm not justifying it. This doesn't justify it. I'm just saying.
So these models of cooperation that emerged over thousands of years, or dozens of years, depending on the society, well, none of these models would or could emerge if the environment was purely static, or purely chaotic. It's right on that knife edge between stability and chaos that complexity emerges, that life emerges, and that models of cooperation emerge. Irrespective of the motives of the person who is team killing everyone in sight, the fact remains that these people do exist. They could be artists looking to make a social statement or they could be completely insane, or both.
Do we really want to play God? Do we want to step in and force the system into a regime of stability, with everyone conforming to a given model of cooperation, agreeing that we're never going to deviate from it, we're never going to innovate, that we're going to ensure that there can be no further evolution?
So what I'm getting at is that in a sense, you can liken the Ventrillo asshole to the random genetic mutation or the random situational comedy type of accident that forces the characters into new and uncharted territory not predicted by nor accounted for in the existing standard models of cooperation. That's why it's funny. For most people, in large measure, the perceived humor of the situation is preempted by their operation from within the existing standard model of cooperation. What I mean is, there is a part of their 'self' that thinks it's funny, but there's these other parts that are stronger that don't.
We maybe never stop to think about how pervasive the effect may be, in a system, of the possibility for someone to team kill, or crash a server upon which a few or a multitude of us rely. Look at the US VS Australia for example... In the US you have guns all over the place. In some urban areas, literally every other car has a gun in it. I personally have a friend who sold a car and only weeks later remembered that he had left his handgun under the seat. In essence, no matter who your are, your chances of getting team killed by anyone, anytime, anywhere, are much higher here in the U.S. So you can think of something like Columbine as kinda a lollz attack, if not in intent, certainly in effect. Anyway, the effect of all of this is pervasive. The culture of the Police is affected by it... it affects how Police interact with people on a routine basis. Our whole CJ system is quite dystopian.
I totally agree with the principle of not being a cock to a stranger. I mean, if everyone would conform to this, then no one would consider gun ownership as being a necessary part of the cooperation model.
Saying that screaming into Ventrillo isn't funny, because it's being a cock to a stranger... no... I can't agree with that. It may be morally and/or ethically reprehensible, but it's still funny... which is a paradox. Saying that it's not funny only tells me that you have a cooperation model worked out, and I just can't believe that this cooperation model is feasible. The world is very complex and we need to consider things from the context of this complexity. So many of the things that we think are normal and sensical are simply a hilarious riot when considered from with some other context, such as a more complex and realistic context.
Personally, I would like to see us move towards more local systems, instead of artificially stitching together a world where everyone (all 6 billion + or whatever) is in the same chat room. In a more local system, yes, not being a cock to a stranger works, and makes sense.
so why not engineer a larger on-topic community by moving the off-topic socializing sorta into it's own more separate realm or dimension, and you could have multiple such dimensions, each unique like a snow flake.
You certainly do have an ironclad rationale for being an asshole.
Ever tried, you know, not being an asshole?
I don't see what this thread has to do with Achewood; I think it should be locked and/or deleted.
I don't see what this thread has to do with Achewood; I think it should be locked and/or deleted.
And in the end, that's the Golden Rule, isn't it?
greenkoolayd is puerto rican?
I don't see what this thread has to do with Achewood; I think it should be locked and/or deleted.
But I seriously don't believe for a second that some of the people who run this board have any respect for the role of due process in any form of society...
By the way, that's a rather worrisome attitude to see expressed. You come across like some autocrat drunk with power. I mean, if you're gonna propose deleting one or more person's speech, you should express the rationale. If it's such a blatant case that no rationale needs expressing, then go ahead and just delete it already. Conducting a discussion with the rationale hidden between the lines and implied instead of expressed directly and overtly has the effect of cultivating an atmosphere of exclusivity and privilege, serving to disenfranchise those who aren't privy to the secret rationales being developed by the privileged elite. The right to confront the accusations being leveraged against one's self is fundamental to due process. But I seriously don't believe for a second that some of the people who run this board have any respect for the role of due process in any form of society...
Sorry, I forgot that they don't have sarcasm in Texas.
I'm always fascinated by those internet people who think that 'free speech' means that I am supposed to let people stand around my living room and spout off stuff that I find offensive. August would know this better than me, but I am pretty sure that is not what the founding fathers had in mind.
The blackhat/b-tard/H4X0R TH3 PL4N3+ types do not believe that the Intertrons count as your living room. After all, your entryway to the Intertubes is connected to their entryway. As far as they are concerned, the Internet is a giant easement and therefore should be considered shared property. Thus, anything you put on the Interwebs is free for all. Also, we are the Borg, apparently. Why, it's the 21st century and we have Twitter, so we must be becoming the Borg. Never mind the fact that there hasn't been a single day in human history without war, that we can't even get everyone in this country to agree the President is natural-born and that there are religions that maintain schisms over things that happened 1500 years ago. All of this is IRRELEVANT! We have Web 2.0 Ajax APIs and SMS text messaging from Web applications! Clearly we are A HIVE MIND.
OK, that explains why they think they are entitled to come into our living room. What I don't understand is why they want to. We're boring, hypocritical, unenlightened. Why spend any more time than required around such clods?
Two words: Lulz.
This is funny? Really?
The blackhat/b-tard/H4X0R TH3 PL4N3+ types do not believe that the Intertrons count as your living room. After all, your entryway to the Intertubes is connected to their entryway. As far as they are concerned, the Internet is a giant easement and therefore should be considered shared property.
Also, smick, he did start up another achewood message board somewhere and it had like 2 users. I forget what the link was.
Two words: Lulz.
hey LFM, Did you know Kurt Vonnegut was a hack and that socialism was invented by satan? You should read some stuff by Ayn Rand, she is an author with some good ideas and none of them are wrong. We should lower taxes on rich people so they can make more jobs for poor people.
Ahh... I cant even pretend to do that anymore. Ive lost my edge.
I guess I'm old, too, but I yearn for the simple days when things were done for the jazz, or possibly for the kids.
hot-cha-cha-cha-cha!
ALSO: my favourite part of the life cycle of water is when evaporated water becomes clouds.
I've been thrown out of drinking establishments for arguing with bartenders, stealing drinks and passing out. Fuck that noise.
As for the freedom of speech arguments... as for the fact that it's a private server... *shrug* yeah in theory you can make that argument, but it's just not a good argument
just because you aren't aware that you harbor any ridiculous prejudices doesn't prove that you don't.
Our Earth gift of a "ukulele" will help you.
Are you on the bus or off the bus?
and then the pub owner decides he's not going to allow any black people in, or anyone who has this or that idea... it's the same thing.
Also, you know, he is an internet troller so he is purposely constructing faulty analogies to get rises outta people.
... wait for it ...
... WAIT for it ...
..... CRABBY.
A lame pun? I expect better from you Bobby. For shame.
I think I understand now what he's trying to get at, and he's just too polite to say it, so I'll say it for him.
There was a man from history who "moderated" an "internet forum".
His name was Hitler, and he "moderated" the "Jews."
The moderators here are exactly like Hitler.
I'm glad I am not the only person who understands/is amused by this. Jeez, it's like none of you people have eaten hard shell crabs before. You gotta pick through a lot of inedible crap to find the sweet, sweet meat in the middle. Maybe this is why Jason makes you so ... wait for it ..
... wait for it ...
... WAIT for it ...
..... CRABBY.
i dislike seafood.
That's awfully Puerto Rican of you.
I think I understand now what he's trying to get at, and he's just too polite to say it, so I'll say it for him.
There was a man from history who "moderated" an "internet forum".
His name was Hitler, and he "moderated" the "Jews."
The moderators here are exactly like Hitler.
i dislike seafood.
i was raised in pennsylvania. it is a commonwealth, just like puerto rico. im sure that is the reason why.
everyone I appreciate the creative display names tres chic
by the way I notice my cans of doctor peffer has gone down to -5 listen you bastard whoever is doing that do it to my face okay come out and say "I took away a can because X"
don't be maliciously passive aggressive it's not healthy and god will kill you for it
OK how about this.
Fuck you.
Straightforward enough for you?
No you didn't really mean it you silly if you really meaned it you would have gived me another negative can I'm still at negative five (-5) cans. Why don't you say whatchu mean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO-qjKEcLZg) and mean whatchu say
everyone I appreciate the creative display names tres chic
by the way I notice my cans of doctor peffer has gone down to -5 listen you bastard whoever is doing that do it to my face okay come out and say "I took away a can because X"
don't be maliciously passive aggressive it's not healthy and god will kill you for it
everyone I appreciate the creative display names tres chic
by the way I notice my cans of doctor peffer has gone down to -5 listen you bastard whoever is doing that do it to my face okay come out and say "I took away a can because X"
don't be maliciously passive aggressive it's not healthy and god will kill you for it
how many times do people have to tell you that you are an annoying cockface before you understand that they think you are an annoying cockface?