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Trivial Pursuits => Sports & Leisure => Topic started by: Sub_Topical on July 13, 2010, 03:30:40 pm
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So...I did a family thing the other night and a relative proceeded to load a pan with vegetable oil, get it good and smoking, and then drop in the corn tortillas one by one to fry them all crispy before making up a standard beef/cheese/salsa/tomato/lettuce taco.
I stopped at one because of the oil quotient, YOW!
I'll tend to dry pan heat a whole wheat tortilla and slap in some shredded cabbage and carrot along with cilantro, salsa verde, lime, pepper and a piece of grilled giraffe.
So how do y'all attack Taco Mountain?
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Man, that filter makes me sound exotic as hell!
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if you fry the tortilla it's not a taco it's a tostada, don't matter if it's folded or not. at least, according to the mexicans i've chatted with about it.
dos soft corn tortillas, guacamole, shredded lettuce, queso fresco, diced tomato, touch of minced onion, smack it with some green tabasco. that's a damned fine taco.
i like your second combo there with tilapia or grouper, any heavier meat of the pisces variety just doesn't taste right.
also good is carnitas with caramelized onions, cholula, and crema (which has supplanted sour cream in our house)
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My typical lazy taco night is ground chicken, Penzey's taco seasoning, lettuce, store-bought shredded cheese, and store bought guac. Diced tomatoes if in season.
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I like frying up them corn tortillas too, but deep-frying at home is such a monster. Better left to the professionals. I have found, however, that putting your tortillas on the grill and letting them get a little browned & crispy is almost as good.
This here recipe for tacos al pastor is frikkin' awesome.
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Tacos-al-Pastor-242132
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A lot of people are calling bullshit on that taco.
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I had a sad time where I tried to make tostados with ground deer meat. It was not successful. The meat was extremely gamey to begin with, and no amount of spice or sauce could correct the balance. Decision - mild meat only for tacos from now on.
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We do ground beef, shredded lettuce, prepackaged shredded queso, and sour cream rolled up in a soft flour tortilla. I like some sauteed onions on top, but Pedro leaves those off because he loves me.
Taco night = a night off from "real" cooking up in this piece.
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if i were to make a venison taco i would add some ground pork to the meat. the fat and mildness really cuts the gamey flavor.
i also add beef steak to my venison chili so SUCK IT HATERS
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oh my god carlos TACOS AL PASTOR ARE ALL I HAVE EVER WANTED.
I go eat these way too often.
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An awful lot of people do exactly that, choop, because it works. White tail deer you have a chance of getting a sweet taster, but the mule deer out here are all eating scrub oak acorns and manzanita brush and taste like it.
This must be true, because all the venison we get doesn't taste very gamey at all. Less gamey than lamb or mutton for sure. It's all whitetail here, goddam garden eatin' road-hazards.
And I like gamey.
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I have no idea where this deer came from, and was most definitely not the cause of it's demise. My husband's friend brought us a sack of meat from his hunt, all proud of himself. Meantime, I found bits of bone in the ground meat and it tasted like crap. Still have the steaks in the fridge and am thinking of feeding them to the dog.
In the land of good-ass tacos, I make what must be the most bastardized Canadian version ever, but I love them. Hard shells, ground beef browned with with President's Choice taco seasoning and ketchup, in a shell with sharp cheddar, shredded lettuce and sour cream. Is so wrong. Is so good.
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my dogs would die from happiness if i ever gave them venison. they don't get table food, ever. EVER. please try a chili with one of those steaks and a beef steak (flank or sirloin, not ribeye).
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deer: all the venison i have ever had was average, if not better. they eat really good around here with all the farms and orchards around. also, the last two jobs i had, there was some good-assed deer balogna brought in to share several times a season. thank goodness for generous rednecks.
tacoooooooooos! one thing i dislike not having around is a taco vendor-person. i like mine simple. some beef. some shredded cheese. some pico de gallo. maybe some lettuce, but not necessary.
also, taco is one of my favorite euphemisms for a ladys no-no area.
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The venison would not be table food. It would be a raw slab of meat. Our dog also doesn't get table food. He would most definitely look at me with "thank you" eyes.
I grew up on lots of venison. This stuff is funky and gross in comparison. The place my family hunted was very different from where this dude would have hunted regardless. Plus he didn't freeze it properly, and it's hella' freezer burnt to boot.
As for my lady area, I have never like the taco reference. We did get my 16 yr old sister in law a change purse shaped like a taco for Xmas. Now that is creeping me out.
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I never liked the taco reference for the no no zone either.
I had tacos for lunch today inspired by this thread. I didn't, however, take a photograph of my tacos. I will tell you that they were quite good.
I guess technically they were tostatas as was pointed out earlier in the thread. Although, I dispute this because I always believed that the main distinction between a crunchy taco and a tostata is the tostata is filled with beans and the taco with meat.
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I didn't, however, take a photograph of my tacos.
Who are you and what have you done with Paul?
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Paul has boundaries about showing his taco in public.
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Although, I dispute this because I always believed that the main distinction between a crunchy taco and a tostata is the tostata is filled with beans and the taco with meat.
Paul, respectfully, you totally made that up.
I always thought if the tortilla was fried and flat, it's a tostada, and if it's fried and folded, it's a bastard American taco, and I find this interpretation to be consistent with what Choop reports from Mexicans.
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Technically, since I use un-fried soft flour tortillas, mine aren't tacos so much as fajitas, right?
When my mother-in-law came here from Argentina, she was appalled that we eat "tacos." In Buenos Aires, that word apparently connotes the heel of the foot.
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Paul, respectfully, you totally made that up.
Yes, because obviously living in Houston Texas I have little access to Mexicans (http://www.hellohouston.com/Census.Cfm) or Mexican food (http://www.b4-u-eat.com/houston/restaurants/cuisine/mexican.asp).
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And they really never put beans in a taco? Come on, don't make me go through the online menus of all the restaurants in that link.
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In Paul's defense, I think he meant "meat and other stuff, including perhaps beans," and "beans in the place of meat."
That sounds reasonable to me, at least.
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I didn't realize until really recently, because I had never thought about it, that when my mom says she's making "quesadillas" for dinner, we're actually eating soft tacos.
As a kid I didn't know there was a difference, and then I learned and never thought about what those things she makes actually are.
Pork loin, her INCREDIBLE salsa, cheddar. So fuck*ng good.
Now I'm confused. Maybe we always just said "we're having tortillas?"
Anyway, pork loin. Damn those things are good.
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You say tomato, I say tomato, lets just go to McDonalds.
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I checked the wiki on tostadas and their definition fits with mine except they claim that tostadas are usually topped by meat of some sort. In my vast experience eating Mexican food in restaurants this hasn't been the case.
For a start, the tostada is never the main feature of the meal. That is to say, I've never seen a tostada plate. It's always just served as one of the list of items included on a combination plate along with an enchilada and a taco, some guacamole, rice and beans. Maybe a tamale. I've had some variation of this meal in literally hundreds of restaurants. And the tostada is always the same. The flat round tortilla with a layer of refried beans topped with lettuce, tomatoes and cheese. No meat. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but so are hundreds of Mexican restaurants in Houston and many other places.
As for tacos, it's common to find refried beans in a breakfast taco, but we are talking about crispy tacos. And by the way, this is not entirely an American invention. The preformed and packaged taco shell is, but the idea of a deep friend crispy tortilla shell on a taco is as traditional as can be. And I've seen tacos filled with beans too, but it was for some vegetarians that special ordered it. I've been to many many taquerias (http://www.b4-u-eat.com/houston/restaurants/cuisine/taquerias.asp) in my lifetime and they typically have a board listing what meats they use to fill the tacos. The list includes some offbeat choices like Lengua (tongue) (delicious btw), de cabeza (brain) (not what I was expecting, but not something I would ever want again) and tripas (tripe) (no thank you) along with the more usual choices of barbacoa, fajita, chicken, etc. In all my experience I've never seen frijoles on the list.
But again, we are talking about crispy tex-mex tacos and I've never seen one that was filled with beans and I have been served hundreds of them. They are almost always filled with seasoned ground beef. Sometime In the last two decades a chicken variety has appeared. Topped with lettuce, tomatoes and cheese.
So really, other than the bend in the tortilla the only difference is that a taco has meat and a tostata has beans. Again, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but so are many many restaurants. I believe I've surveyed a large enough cross section to say this is a universal fact.
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You know just to throw another monkey wrench into the tortilla, the best tacos I ever had anywhere had neither meat nor beans. Just onions, cheese and peppers. There is one place in Santa Barbara that has two different tacos with fillings of onion, cheese and peppers and they don't taste the same. I don't know how they do it.
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never had a giraffe taco, paul? you're heck of missing out.
"taco" designates as much a form factor as a range of dishes, like how the difference between a burrito and a chimichanga is in the frying. there absolutely are vegetarian tacos, available in mexico, with guacamole or refritos as the main ingredient. but you're going to have to search far and wide outside resort restaurants to find crispy tacos in mexico.
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never had a giraffe taco, paul? you're heck of missing out.
I've had plenty of tacos de pescado, but never in a crispy shell.
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like how the difference between a burrito and a chimichanga is in the frying.
Exactly. A taco with beans on it or a tostada with meat on it is like calling a chimichanga a burrito.
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oh man, I really don't like crispy tacos at all. I dont' get it.
I was never a big fan, but working at a mexican place I realized that making hard tacos was what I screwed up the most. For some reason I always put too much stuff, or accidentally crunched the shell, etc.
Also, all of our tacos had beans in them.
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Also, all of our tacos had beans in them.
I guess there's always gonna be an exception that proves the rule. You say all of the tacos have beans in them? So if someone orders a beef taco it has beans in it too? Must have been a cheap ass restaurant trying to stretch the taco meat. Was this a vegetarian restaurant?
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You worked at Moe's, right? They don't strike me as particularly "authentic." They strike me as, "One step up from Taco Bell."
But then, I don't really like Mexican/Tex-Mex anyway, so what do I know?
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A lot of people are calling bullshit on that tostada.
Ok, got that out of the way.
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You worked at Moe's, right? They don't strike me as particularly "authentic." They strike me as, "One step up from Taco Bell."
Even taco bell doesn't put beans in their tacos (http://www.tacobell.com/food/tacos).
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oh, yeah, Moe's totally sucks. Everything about that business bugged me.
Mostly that you could have any meat for the same price, but adding LETTUCE made the burrito cost more. this made people SO MAD. Why would you ever price things in this way?? People are used to getting that kind of stuff for free.
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Can I just say that I am amused that a conversation about tacos veered toward talking about ladies private parts, then right back on topic? You people kill me!
Also, I am fairly certain the meat-like filling in Taco Bell tacos has plenty of soy based meat-like stuff (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_ingredients_of_Taco_Bell%27s_meat_mixture) added.
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Onions and peppers and cheese! Why isn't anyone listening! Santa Barbara! You need to go there right now and you will see this whole discussion is nonsense! Nonsense, I tell you!
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Onions and peppers and cheese! Why isn't anyone listening! Santa Barbara! You need to go there right now and you will see this whole discussion is nonsense! Nonsense, I tell you!
There, there wombat. I believe you. I will not go to Santa Barbara to find out, but it sounds delicious. There, there.
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I ain't never purchased a thing called a taco that contained beans.
I've eaten in a lot of fake white-people Mexican restaurants, a lot of authentic Mexican restaurants and more than a few that blur the line and...
I have never bought something called a taco that has beans in it.
I'm not saying that I think beans in a taco-like configuration would be bad, necessarily, but it would not fit the nomenclature of "taco" as I understand it.
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I make bastard tacos at home regularly, they come in a packet and I add ground beef, cheese, shredded lettuce and tomatoes. There are crispy ones and soft ones, I prefer the soft ones.
All this talking about gamey meat though has made me think I should try a Roo taco, I think I'd need to cut it with something as above though because it's a pretty strong flavour, or load it down with cheese.
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I am pretty sure I remember the place in Santa Barbara offering beans on tacos as well, and the New York Times backs me up:
Locals argue endlessly about the city’s best taco joint. Julia Child threw her weight behind La Super Rica (622 North Milpas Street; 805-963-4940), ensuring perpetual lines for its homemade tortillas filled with everything from pork and cheese ($3.40) to spicy ground beans ($2.75).
I mean, conceptually, how could there not be tacos with beans? Mexicans eat tortillas, they eat beans, and poor people can't afford meat most of the time, the idea of putting beans in tacos is an inevitable consequence.
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Doc, do not try to fight the gameyness. That was my mistake. There is no fighting gamey meat. Either celebrate it or do not go there.
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I like gamey meat, Roo Roast is freaking delicious. I'm just not sure if gamey tacos are a good idea.
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I like Moe's! Go on Monday and you get a burrito chips and drink for $5! They have fresh cilantro and fresh jalepenos! You can get tofu! They have the little sauce bar with the green sauce!
Like I should give a crap if it's authentic. It's GOOD.
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I ain't knowing for a Moes, one way or the other, but inauthentic stuff is sometimes awesome.
Baja Fresh isn't authentic at all but a lot of Mexican people in Angeles loved it.
They'd say "Oh, it isn't Mexican at all but it is still great."
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all's i'm sayin' is i get my tacos outside texas and on occasion there exist such as beans among the fillers
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Baja Fresh beats the ##### off of Moe's. I will fuck*ng FIGHT people over this if necessary.
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Baja Fresh beats the ##### off of Moe's. I will fuck*ng FIGHT people over this if necessary.
Baja Fresh is the berries. I like it way better than Chipotle
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Baja Fresh used to have a taco with peppers, onions, and cheese, and if you asked them to leave the meat off, you got something that made you believe that someone who worked somewhere in that company actually might have eaten some Mexican food once, at least in Southern California. And for a while they had an enchilada with an actual red chili sauce. But they have demonstrated an uncanny accuracy in selecting exactly these almost real foods to take off the menu permanently or to change to the point that they're unrecognizable, like they did with the giraffe taco.
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Baja Fresh beats the ##### off of Moe's. I will fuck*ng FIGHT people over this if necessary.
It's 'cos they don't put beans on their tacos amirite...
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He never disappoints us by containing beans, that's for sure.
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It's odd, I can't remember the last time I've had a taco. I just always end up getting burritos or enchiladas. My personal favorite is a local place that puts enchilada sauce right in the California burrito. This is in no way authentic. This is in every way awesome.
I take it back, I've had "street tacos" around here. They're pretty awesome. They're like a mini sampler platter, just for you.
I went to a Moe's during a visit home to Alabama and ordered a carne asada burrito. The man across the counter looked at me and said, "You mean steak?" I was very confused, especially since the man had been speaking Spanish to the other people he worked with.
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Pedro tells me that "carne asada" is a generic term for "grilled meat," depending, of course, on dialect.
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'Cause if you don't like beans, well then whatever, I will put them inside or along side of that folded tortilla delicious delivering device I call a taco. And you may not.
But if it's some strict constructionist thing about what is and what is not a taco?
Riiiiiight
This whole debate reminds me of differing attitudes on pizza in New York (I know, I'm not a New Yorker, but I read about being one on the internet). First, Anthony Mangieri (http://nymag.com/restaurants/cheapeats/2009/57897/). He shut down his operation (http://www.unapizza.com/) in NYC last year and is apparently relocating to San Francisco, but I ate at his place four years ago. Really nice, interesting guy, and the pizza was hell of tasty. But he also believes there is only one way to make pizza, and that no one else in the US or even Italy these days makes real pizza.
A wiry human doodle pad of Christian and punk tattoos, Mangieri is the unofficial front man for one of the more notable culinary phenomena to grip the city in years: the Naples-style pizza revolution. From Bed-Stuy to the Upper West Side, New York’s quintessential food is being redefined by a cadre of wild-eyed converts to a notion seductive in its romantic certitude: that the best pizza—the one true pizza—comes from Naples and Naples only, and the way to do it right is to obsessively re-create the ingredients, techniques, and all but the street smells of Naples. Everything else is an insult to flour, oil, tomatoes, cheese, and you.
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Mangieri, for his part, isn’t bothered by the charges that his is an inaccurate representation of the motherland. He’s over Naples, he says. “The best pizza I had there is as good as my pizza on a mediocre day. On a really good day, the pizza I make here blows away anything made in Naples.” He takes a pause. “And it breaks my heart.”
And can be kind of a cock about it.
Mangieri’s take on his competition is similarly pointed, to say the least: Luzzo’s pizza is “garbage,” Kesté’s “tastes like shit.” “There’s no love,” he says of the latter.
And then there's this kid (http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/07/pizza-obsessives-anthony-falco-pizza-guru-aka-tonycalzone.html). In answer to the question: "What one thing should NEVER go on a pizza?"
As far as I am concerned there are no rules. Some Italian guy in the 16th century decided to get crazy and put tomatoes, something no one had ever seen before in Europe, on a pizza, I applaud people who innovate. Again, don't take pizza too seriously. I vaguely remember topping a pizza during Easter with Peeps and putting it in a wood-fired oven, I don't think that ever needs to happen again.
Also, I have a friend who is a sushi chef, trained in Japan, and he can be kind of annoying about what real sushi is.
The gastronomic descriptivism/prescriptivism debate.
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There is no food that can start an internet flame war faster than pizza. It's actually pretty funny, and I say that as an actual New Yorker and therefore genetically as opinionated about pizza as it is possible to be.
I think it's important to know what's authentic, but it's also important not to confuse "authentic" with "the only thing that tastes good."
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Authenticity is a pretty nebulous concept to pin down.
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Sure, but just because a concept isn't black and white doesn't mean it's not worth some attention.
Of course, there are some things that are black and white, like if you put pineapple on a pizza, you should be arrested.
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What is the problem with beans, people?
Is it because beans are not authentic or some lame ass thing like that or that you do not like them?
'Cause if you don't like beans, well then whatever, I will put them inside or along side of that folded tortilla delicious delivering device I call a taco. And you may not.
But if it's some strict constructionist thing about what is and what is not a taco?
Riiiiiight
This.
Authenticity is about replicating something or relating it to a particular place or style. It implies nothing about tastiness. I suppose it can be an acceptable thing to pursue, but it's nothing to be snotty about.
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I'm not saying anything about theory. I just... have never bought or have been given a thing with beans in it and it was called a taco.
As I have experienced the idea of "taco", beans have not been in it.
If I got a ride in a car that also could fly, I would enjoy the hell out of it, but if the dude only called it "his car" I think it would not communicate something very important about the device. In the general shared parlance, a car is a thing that moves on the ground with four wheels. If it also flies, I think we need a modifier at least, if not a new word. If you say "lets go for a ride in my new car" and suddenly we're flying? I would be very surprised. Because you said we were just gonna go in a car.
I'm not talking about constructivism, I'm talking about ease of communication.
If you gave me the greatest taco in the world and that taco included beans, I would love the hell out of it.
I would also say "huh. That was awesome but I never had a taco with beans in it. When you said taco, I was expecting the generally agreed to idea of a taco. Perhaps a little extra language would make this clearer. Tabenco. Or possibly just tell me this is a taco with beans."
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I have had a refried bean taco, and it was pretty good. But normally I don't think beans when I think taco.
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I never mentioned taste in my argument. I'm sure that a bean "taco" is delicious, it's just not a taco.
I will reiterate my position. When speaking of a crispy deep fried tortilla filled with ingredients, as we were at the beginning of this long pointless discussion, if said crispy fried tortilla is filled with beans it's called a tostada. If that tortilla is filled with meat it's a taco. If your taco is filled with beans you are not eating a taco you are eating another well established dish known as a tostada.
When speaking of the more traditional soft tortilla taco, I've never had nor seen one filled with beans, but hey, if you all have, that is awesome, I will concede that to you. However, to confuse this issue further, if your soft bean filled taco is made with a flour tortilla, again you are not eating a taco, you are eating a burrito.
I hope this helps you better understand the food you are eating.
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Taco? Tostada? You just spell it any old way you want dear and the good lord God will provide.
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Dammit, people, it's 10:15 in the fuck*ng morning and I am hungry for tacos.
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at a restaurant they applied to, they asked me what my favorite restaurant is. For some reason I thought a long time, and then named a Thai place.
Later, I told my friends that I thought it was funny that they asked that question, and they said "oh, so you said that taco place that you talk about all the fuck*ng time, right?"
It is weird how I don't know what my own favorite place is.
pineapple on pizza is really good. pineapple in tacos is really good. is this a trend? I have never thought of myself as specifically a dude who likes pineapple.
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another benefit of pineapple is that it makes your spunk tastier, or so the ladies have told me
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but a taco with a pineapple on it is not a taco it is a chalupa
and a chalupa without lettuce is an enchirito
seriously this whole beans/not beans thing is pretty ridiculous, so i've put a very scientific poll on my facebook page and will let you know the results soon
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How about you spin the fiesta wheel at Taco Max and it'll tell you what to call your tortilla/bean/cheese concoction.
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this is reminding me of that "tapdancing about architecture" quote that I hate.
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Skip to 1:55.
http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan---bottled-water/
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man, I thought I did not think he was funny, but "why don't you say a spanish word and I'll bring you something" made me laugh out loud.
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I love Jim Gaffigan. He's hilarious. Love his bit about Bacon.
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Hoooooooooooooooooooot Pockets.
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Pineapple is just basically a good thing. I mean, a dude even lives in a pineapple under the sea, y'know?
That is Spongebob's house
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I love Jim Gaffigan. He's hilarious. Love his bit about Bacon.
I watched several clips, I hadn't really seen him before. The little self-heckling bit he does is odd, but effective.
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Of course, there are some things that are black and white, like if you put pineapple on a pizza, you should be arrested.
"its as if you could read what was inside of me!"
I watched several clips, I hadn't really seen him before. The little self-heckling bit he does is odd, but effective.
Jim Gaffigan is a guest on a radio show and attracts the attention of an assertive Christian woman who tries to impose her beliefs on him. Hilarity half-decent laughs ensues. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKWnH-3v0pk)
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"its as if you could read what was inside of me!"
Jim Gaffigan is a guest on a radio show and attracts the attention of an assertive Christian woman who tries to impose her beliefs on him. Hilarity half-decent laughs ensues. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKWnH-3v0pk)
That reminds me of David Cross' bit about morning zoo radio shows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK9bbLQZ3Bo
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That reminds me of David Cross' bit about morning zoo radio shows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK9bbLQZ3Bo
Ain't that the truth. Drive time radio is the worst.
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Indeed. Here's the full bit with a hilarious story:
http://tmblg.com/post/109891636/david-cross-on-meeting-harlow-kansas-city-and
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oh man, this radio dude from the 90s introduced Pavement. He was a real-life troll.
We really couldn't figure out what he was trying to do. He just said a list of the things guaranteed to piss off the crowd. It was bizarre.
"you've gotta admit, Pitchfork and Lollapalooza are like the minor leagues, we're meant to help bands get better so they can move on to better things"
"wouldn't you all rather be at Lollapalooza? It's way better. Better venue, bigger bands. This festival is pretty lame, like, these bands aren't that famous or anything"
"downloading music is great, because soon all bands will have endorsement deals with products"
"the pavement you're seeing today is a shadow of what they used to be, when I was the first radio DJ to play them."
etc.
we think maybe he was trying to get some sort of "GET OFF THE STAGE, WE WANT PAVEMENT" chant going, but instead everyone just kind of booed and ignored him.
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See, a troll is fine when he's doing something in real life and you can see him and he's just playing the manager of a bad guy wrestler or whatever.
It's when cowardly little nothings snipe in and out playing some idiot game and they're the only one playing it, that's when it is lame as shit.
This DJ sounds like he was just playing the standard Tony Clifton except a hipster Tony Clifton. Which is kind of a brilliant rejuxtaposition of the Clifton.
When we're all equal partners in a shared game with no harm and no foul, that shit's actually pretty fun.
Heckling at wrestling matches and baseball games where there are lines you don't cross and you're looking each other in the eyes as dudes and ladies, that shit is fun as hell.
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it was just really unclear what the point of this was.
I am really bad at ignoring trolls.
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The point of it probably was that these hipper-than-thou indie showcases need to take themselves less seriously and, like, some old school dude and one of the bigger older bands there (Pavement was one of the few bands on that list I've heard of) probably thought that a little old school self-mockery would deflate some of the stifling pretense.
Sounds like it didn't work, I guess.
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it was actually the least pretentious thing ever. i was amazed that 80% of the attendees were like "i am some college-aged dude in a t-shirt and jeans who likes bands." people were having fun and drinking beer and hanging out listening to bands they like.
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Wait a minute. I didn't realize it for a second, but I think yous've clicked on the wrong thread... ?
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Wait a minute. I didn't realize it for a second, but I think yous've clicked on the wrong thread... ?
No, here's a breakdown of the wander.
Tacos > Venison Tacos > Gamey Venison > Tacos vs Tostatas > Bean Tacos > Moe's Restaurant > Bean Tacos are not Tacos > Pineapple Pizza > Jim Gaffigan > Jim Gaffigan on Morning Radio > David Cross lampooning Morning Radio DJs > Morning Radio DJ MCs Pitchfork Festival > Music
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Paul is working on a master's thesis in the field of thread wandering analysis.
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I'm laughing out loud. That was a great summary, Paul, and the rest of you are insane.
Back on topic, my brother-in law (this one (http://pod-comic.com)) is bringing his family to supper this weekend, and I'm going to make the thing I call "fajitas," which is a big stack of hot soft flour tortillas and enough ground beef, sour cream, shredded cheese, lettuce, sauteed onion, and picante sauce to bury a large mammal. Authentic? Not by a long shot. But great for casual dinner guests, especially when kids are involved. Family style, roll your own, I'll be flipping quesedillas on request.
Yum.
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Ground beef? That makes 'em tacos, not fajitas.
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Ground beef? That makes 'em tacos, not fajitas.
Yeah, pretty much. Fajitas are tacos too, but ground beef is not fajitas. Fajita is a cut of meat. I suppose ground beef can be made from fajitas (or skirt steak as it was once called), but I've never seen that. Oh what the hell, you can get chicken fajitas and even shrimp fajitas so why not ground beef. Obviously the words don't have much meaning anymore. Shrimp skirt steak, mmm tasty.
It's almost lunchtime. I've got some leftover sausage, potato salad and a hotdog bun. I think I'm gonna make me a sausage fajita.
Here's a question that have, why do Americans prefer flour tortillas?
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Here's a question that have, why do Americans prefer flour tortillas?
Because they have lard in them? I generally don't like corn tortillas but I also hate cornbread and corndogs.
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Here's a question that have, why do Americans prefer flour tortillas?
The corn tortillas I've bought always seem to fall apart when I try and wrap a decent burrito with them. Flour doesn't seem to do that.
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Two reasons:
1. Because 99.9% of the corn tortillas that the average American can buy are crap;
2. Because Americans prefer food that doesn't taste like much of anything. Flour tortillas just hold fillings together without adding any flavor. Same way that tasteless white bread is preferred - its only purpose is to keep people from getting sandwich fillings on the hands.
Yes, I do have a bee in my bonnet about this. Want to make something of it?
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there is a video of my grandparents and parents celebrating right before I was born (or right after? this seems less likely because I can't imagine them making my mom cook for a bunch of people immediately after giving birth...) and the main thing that happens in the video is my grandfather repeatedly teling the camera that he ate FIVE FAJITAS. FIVE WHOLE FAJITAS. Then he pauses, and then shows "5" on his fingers.
it isn't as funny if you can't hear my grandfather's really particular accent. I have never heard anyone else sound like this, i guess my grandmother's is kind of similar?
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1. Because 99.9% of the corn tortillas that the average American can buy are crap;
That's certainly not true where I live.
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Ground beef? That makes 'em tacos, not fajitas.
the thing I call "fajitas,"
I know they're not, exactly, fajitas. But they're not quite tacos, either. Maybe we should split the difference and call them tajitas?
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Sudden eureka moment while reading this thread: I must create my own meatloaf taco recipe! Holy hell. Now that I've imagine it, it must be done!!! (I'm sure it's been done before, but I don't want to google it. This will be a creative process, and I do not want/need input.) Oh man. Yes. It will be done, and it will be tasty as hell! I'll update on this once I've done it.
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I know they're not, exactly, fajitas. But they're not quite tacos, either.
flour tortillas and enough ground beef, sour cream, shredded cheese, lettuce, sauteed onion, and picante sauce
Nope. Those are tacos.
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Sounds like tacos to me.
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Man, you guys are such taco prescriptivists.
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Nope. Those are tacos.
On a flour tortilla? I guess they'd be soft tacos, then. And I thought tacos had fresh diced tomatoes (never picante sauce)? And no onions? I mean, what is the difference between a chicken soft taco and a chicken fajita, then?
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That's certainly not true where I live.
Go on, rub it in. Didn't you live in Utah for a while? Surely you learned there what the rest of us have to endure.
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what is the difference between a chicken soft taco and a chicken fajita, then?
Oh what the hell, you can get chicken fajitas and even shrimp fajitas so why not ground beef. Obviously the words don't have much meaning anymore.
There's no such thing as a chicken fajita.
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There's no bodypart on a chicken called the "nugget" either, but that didn't stop us, did it?
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Next you're going to tell me Bison don't have vestigial wings.
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There's no such thing as a chicken fajita.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajita) indicates that the "fajita" is named for the cut of meat from which the dish is made -- skirt steak, as Paul correctly noted. But a "taco" (Wikipedia says) is always made with a corn tortilla (hard or soft), while a "burrito" is made with a wheat/flour tortilla:
A burrito (pronounced /bəˈriːtoʊ/ in US English, [buˈrito] in Spanish), or taco de harina, is a type of Mexican food. It consists of a flour tortilla wrapped or folded around a filling. The flour tortilla is usually lightly grilled or steamed, to soften it and make it more pliable. In Mexico, refried beans, Mexican rice, or meat are usually the only fillings and the tortilla is smaller in size. In the United States, however, fillings generally include a combination of ingredients such as Mexican rice, beans, lettuce, salsa, meat, avocado, cheese, and sour cream, and the size varies, with some burritos considerably larger than their Mexican counterparts.
So I guess what I'm making is American-style, roll-your-own burritos?
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ok people, seriously:
Tacos are small. You eat a couple of them. they are folded over.
Burritos are big. They normally need to have rice and beans, but I have had ones that didn't from places run by actual Mexicans, so maybe it varies. the tortilla is wrapped all around the food to make a little guy with sealed ends.
Fajitas have big chunks of grilled steak. They use medium-sized tortillas.
Quesadillas are more melted and cheese-based. They are folded over.
the one skill I have which consistently impresses people is my ability to roll burritos. Maybe I should be looking into more burrito-related fields.
The real trouble comes when you talk about spanish words that refer to different foods in different places.
see: sopaipillas.
also, there is this chilean food that my mom says means "rags" or "leftover pieces" or something, but apparently in other spanish-speaking countries it means something like "panties" or "thong," i forget what specific word.
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So I guess what I'm making is American-style, roll-your-own burritos?
No, I'd still call it a taco. You would need refried beans to make it a burrito.
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Can we at least all agree that tacos are good? Is that a point of consensus?
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And here I was looking at that thinking "but where's the beans?"
Now cut that out!
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What about red or black beans and rice?
Round these parts we call that a California Burrito.
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Can we at least all agree that tacos are good? Is that a point of consensus?
I know I sure love 'em.
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Today for lunch I had chicken, beans, lettuce, cheese and hot sauce rolled up in a soft taco. I called that sucker "a chicken wrap"
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California Burrito.
I was literally just thinking about this. I was making a hot dog and thinking about how my girlfriend's dad would make fun of me because it isn't "Chicago Style," and then I thought about all the places that don't have their own styles of hot dog. Then I thought, you can put pretty much anything on anything and call it "California Style."
We got a hot dog cart for one of our parties at the radio station, and the guy was an atlas of hot dog knowledge. He'd ask where someone was from, and then say "oh, central Ohio, so you want sauerkraut and brown mustard, with a pickle on the side? (made up example)" He knew every regional variety.
when the GF's dad makes fun of me for something stupid, I always want to make a joke about fuck*ng his daughter. I have never had such a strong urge to be rude to someone.
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You are allowed to put anything on a hotdog as long as it is not ketchup.
Right now I am going to put homemade refried beans, rice, salsa, cheese and sour cream in a flour tortilla and call it delicious.
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BUT ALL I WANT IS KETCHUP.
I eat my hot dogs America style: ketchup and yellow mustard.
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Hot dogs have ketchup when hot dog sauce is not available. Some people put both ketchup and hot dog sauce but these people are clearly deranged.
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I was literally just thinking about this. I was making a hot dog and thinking about how my girlfriend's dad would make fun of me because it isn't "Chicago Style," and then I thought about all the places that don't have their own styles of hot dog. Then I thought, you can put pretty much anything on anything and call it "California Style."
Usually California Style is synonymous with making a dish more healthy; as in the case Ash described by substituting black beans for refried pinto beans.
There are a lot of things done 'California style' that California probably knows nothing about. Hey Ash, did you know that putting avocado on a hamburger makes it California style?
California style burritos are what you get at Chipotle.
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WTF is hot dog sauce?
Is it made from a roux and pureed hot dogs? Cause if it isn't, I don't want to know.
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What in the fuck is hot dog sauce?
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also, there is this chilean food that my mom says means "rags" or "leftover pieces" or something, but apparently in other spanish-speaking countries it means something like "panties" or "thong," i forget what specific word.
Ropa vieja?
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Is it anything like cowboy sauce (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03082006)?
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What in the fuck is hot dog sauce?
Every place has it's own style and recipe but Nick's is probably the most well known: http://nicksconeysauce.com/nicks_sauce/unique_characteristics.htm
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I don't recall us talking about Cort's prodigious link.
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It's kinda like putting a pineapple slice on something magically makes it Hawaiian-style.
This reminds me. I really need to try a Spicy-Salty-Sweet pizza (jalapeno, bacon, pineapple) as soon as I can locate a pizza place that uses fresh jalapeno instead of the nasty jarred kind.
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You are allowed to put anything on a hotdog as long as it is not ketchup.
Right now I am going to put homemade refried beans, rice, salsa, cheese and sour cream in a flour tortilla and call it delicious.
I have a friend who likes mayo on his hot dogs. I swear, it's not me -- it sounds like something I would do, but I've never tried it. Well, except on corn dogs, but that doesn't count.
We got a hot dog cart for one of our parties at the radio station, and the guy was an atlas of hot dog knowledge. He'd ask where someone was from, and then say "oh, central Ohio, so you want sauerkraut and brown mustard, with a pickle on the side? (made up example)" He knew every regional variety.
If I'd told him I was originally from Toledo, he probably would have referenced Tony Packos (http://www.tonypackos.com/). That's what we call a hot dog back in the Old Country. Jamie Farr used to talk about it in his role as Klinger on M*A*S*H.
Thing is, I've never been to Packos, and I don't care for chili sauce -- too spicy for my tender palate. I like my dogs with just a smear of sweet hot mustard, nothing else. I guess I'd take grilled onions if they were available, but I don't make them at home because Pedro doesn't eat them and it's not worth it to make them just for me.
Tonight we're having a Southern bastardization of Polish cuisine -- what passes for kielbasa from the Harris Teeter deli, grilled like brats, and Mrs. T's frozen pirogi, fried up in a pan. I make no pretense of authenticity -- this so-called kielbasa in my fridge is PINK! -- but more of an homage to my ethnic roots, if you will.
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To pull things together: behold the chilean hotdog! (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/2418127146_52c9e32ebd.jpg)
Yup - that's mayo and mashed avocado, plus a little diced tomato. Proof that adding avocado to all things does not make it Californian.
I've had one of these once. It wasn't my cup of tea, although mayo and avocado are two of my favorite things. Then again I am not a hot dog fan, so perhaps that was more of the problem.
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He'd ask where someone was from, and then say "oh, central Ohio, so you want sauerkraut and brown mustard, with a pickle on the side? (made up example)"
made up example = dead-on fact
how did you do that get out of my braaaaain
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Avocado's on a hotdog sounds like a thing, man. A thing I am going to try.
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Enjoy Paul. It was certainly a more oozy/globby experience than any other hot dog I'd ever had.
Can I get some clarification in relation to avocados on a taco? Is that a thing that is done? I mean I've done it for both tacos and fajitas, but does how does the barometer swing on this one? Does adding say diced avocado or guacamole move the whole procedure further away from the wavering standard of what a taco is, or is it a legit addition?
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Can I get some clarification in relation to avocados on a taco? Is that a thing that is done? I mean I've done it for both tacos and fajitas, but does how does the barometer swing on this one? Does adding say diced avocado or guacamole move the whole procedure further away from the wavering standard of what a taco is, or is it a legit addition?
As far as I can tell an avocado on a taco is perfectly fine. It's still a taco. Unlike adding beans it doesn't change it into something different.
Let's recap shall we.
- Beans on a soft corn tortilla is a taco (you happy now Choop?).
- Beans on a crispy fried corn tortilla is a tostata.
- Beans on a soft flour tortilla is a burrito.
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Avocado really does nothing for me besides being squishy and nasty. I like it on the outside of a sushi roll and can tolerate it on the inside of sushi roll, but I agree with the Onstad line, "they taste like gelatin, people."
Anyway, I just feel I have to add that I like black beans the best of beans. The best bean. Beans. I like black beans.
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Beans on a soft corn tortilla is a taco (you happy now Choop?).
(http://th08.deviantart.net/fs18/150/i/2007/204/9/c/Oh_JOY_by_Granitoons.jpg)
(that's me on the left, so happy)
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I thought they were San Francisco burritos.
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Any hot dog with ketchup is "child style".
That's it.
Many many many people in the real world have agreed with me on this.
By whatever measure it is where you stop being a child and become a teenager or whatever, you stop taking ketchup on a hot dog.
This is important.
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I haven't eaten meat in five years, but, when it comes to hotdogs, you can put anything yer heart desires on there and still be an adult. Quality sausages are different, but just a shitty old hot dog? Who cares? Make this is an east coast thing, what with yer quality hebrew hot dogs?
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I'm with LFM on this one.
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Any hot dog with ketchup is "child style".
That's it.
Many many many people in the real world have agreed with me on this.
By whatever measure it is where you stop being a child and become a teenager or whatever, you stop taking ketchup on a hot dog.
This is important.
I think you've hit the nail on the head, sir.
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This is not to say that I do not believe in doing crazy shit with hot dogs. I lived in Los Angeles for a fifth of my life. I understand that some people wanna do big crazy shit with their hot dogs because it is a way to gourmetize a fundamentally affordable and fun foodstuff. That's fine if that's your thing. It ain't mine but do what you dig...
Except ketchup.
I basically have two prefered modes of 'dog, Home and Ballpark.
Home: brown mustard, nothing else. Ballpark: yellow mustard, diced onions.
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I basically like every variety of hotdog. They are all good.
I'm even not opposed to ketchup on a hotdog. Hell, I'd even choose ketchup over mayonnaise, so it's not that terrible of an idea. Mustard is almost always the way to go of course, but I'll happily settle for ketchup.
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Mayo on a hotdog sounds gross, yeah, but I'd at least listen to the arguement.
Unlike 'chup.
Unless you're five.
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i like ketchup on almost everything that anyone puts ketchup on.
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it's OK, he is just trying to find a developmental milestone that isn't "you are a grown-up when you stop liking guns and roses."
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I don't wanna sound like a dick, too, but all ketchup tastes the same and I hardly use it on anything anymore. Been there done that, amirite? Give me an interesting mustard I've never tried before, please. On a burger, I'll take some Sweet Baby Ray's, or a kind of hot sauce I haven't tasted yet. Ketchup is old news and I go to the ends of the earth just to try something new.
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On a burger, I'll take some Sweet Baby Ray's,
That shit tastes like ketchup.
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What Ash said. I don't always get a hot dog at the ballpark, but when I do, I put ketchup, mustard and onions on it. Fuck all y'all if you don't like it.
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What Ash said. I don't always get a hot dog at the ballpark, but when I do, I put ketchup, mustard and onions on it. Fuck all y'all if you don't like it.
Damn right. I'll eat my hot dog with chocolate syrup and shards of glass -- JUST LIKE MY DADDY DID!!! You effete intellectual hot dog nazis trying to tell people what they can and can't eat. It's downright UNAMERICAN!!! Commies.
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So are we broadening this discussion to starch food surrounding proteins? Or maybe just street foods?
If so, I must add that a falafel pita is rad. With all that garlic sauce up in there? Yeah. That's the shit man.
Then again, I've had some rough falafels in my day: there are good falafels (crispy outside, tender inside, not dry as hell) and bad falafels (hard, dry/powdery, overspiced).
Falafels. They are a thing worth considering.
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Damn right. I'll eat my hot dog with chocolate syrup and shards of glass -- JUST LIKE MY DADDY DID!!! You effete intellectual hot dog nazis trying to tell people what they can and can't eat. It's downright UNAMERICAN!!! Commies.
You guys know that this is a joke, right? I don't really eat chocolate syrup and broken glass on my hot dogs. That would be gross and painful.
You know what I really put on my hot dogs?
Tacos.
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Now I want a hot dog in a taco shell with mac & cheese on top. Just like Wigu used to make.
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No, wait:
...Eat Wonky, a new truck serving poutine that is set to open its doors in mid-August.
Canadaphiles might be familiar with the Quebecois favorite, but if you aren't, picture french fries smothered in gravy and topped with marble-size cheese curds.
In addition to offering the Canadian staple straight up under the name Wonky Fries, Kelley and Kaloosion are giving it an American twist by putting the whole shebang on a hot dog.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/20/AR2010072003020.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/20/AR2010072003020.html)
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Olga's Kitchen (http://www.olgas.com/index.php) was my favorite restaurant as a kid. The Toledo store was inside a mall, not in the food court area, but on the other wing, accessible from inside the mall or out. They have this soft, sweet pita bread that's just divine -- not like any other bread I've ever had, anywhere.
I used to get an Olga Dog off the kid's menu -- an all-beef dog grilled until just barely brown wrapped in a soft, warm blanket of thick pita with swiss cheese melted delicately in between. I can taste it even now. After we'd eat, Mom would get me a piece of bread in a to-go box, and I'd surreptitiously nibble on it while she shopped the rest of the mall.
So. Good.
There are Olga's Kitchens all over Michigan, but Toledo is the southernmost store, AFAIK. They're still there, so if you're ever in Toledo near Franklin Park/Westfield Mall, pop into Olga's for me. There isn't a person on this board who wouldn't get a good meal there. I go whenever I'm visiting, and it's still fabulous.
Of course, now I get the Steak & Cheese, because I'm a grown-up. Pedro gets the Original, which is sort of like a twist on a gyro, with both lamb and beef.
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Poutine sounds like it would be a good compliment to a hotdog, but I don't know why you would use it as a topping. Kindly reminds me of KFC's Famous Bowl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfan5MacmsI).
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I got a KFC bowl once long after the hype and it tasted so bland. Poutine on the other hand can have flavor actually worth describing.
There's a Belgian fry joint in the city that serves poutine that is so good, it's like the cheese curd was jizzed out of God's own dick. And the gravy. . . well . . .
But anyway I try to avoid fries whenever possible because the mantra "just don't get fries" is a pretty effective diet.
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the idea of a child nibbling on "a piece of bread in a to-go box" makes me think of, like, the old times.
it is a weird combination of the modern concept of the to-go box and giving your child a treat to nibble on, and the jarring idea of... nibbling on a piece of bread with nothing on it.
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Thanks a lot people. The mere mention of poutine, and I end up ordering it for lunch. The fries were crispy, the gravey nice, but there wasn't enough cheese.
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the idea of a child nibbling on "a piece of bread in a to-go box" makes me think of, like, the old times.
it is a weird combination of the modern concept of the to-go box and giving your child a treat to nibble on, and the jarring idea of... nibbling on a piece of bread with nothing on it.
This was not normal bread. It doesn't *need* anything on it.
That's like saying "Nibbling on a brownie without any ice cream."
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I guess what really got me was the idea of a single slice of bread (in my head I see a slice of wheat bread) in a to-go box.
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Hot dogs are not nearly as much of a Thing here but it was Canada Day recently and a bunch of my Canadian friends had a party during which I had a knackwurst in a bun and added poutine on top for extra decadence. I felt so full I was unable to move for some time afterwards until I was lured away by nanaimo bars
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Ketchup haters: do you just oppose ketchup on hot dogs, or do you not like ketchup at all? I agree, mustard is the correct condiment for a hot dog, but it's not like I'd turn one down if it had ketchup on it. I mean, it's a hot dog.
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I like whole grain mustard on my brats but I usually put ketchup on hot dogs because they only mustard option is generally yellow and I hate yellow mustard.
So we now have 3 threads proving hot dog sauce is pretty much confined entirely to western PA. Do you people's hot dog stands have the concept of "everything and relish" or is that just a PA thing, too?
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Ketchup haters: do you just oppose ketchup on hot dogs, or do you not like ketchup at all? I agree, mustard is the correct condiment for a hot dog, but it's not like I'd turn one down if it had ketchup on it. I mean, it's a hot dog.
I like ketchup. Sometimes I want a burger and fries just so I can eat ketchup.
But a hot dog is fattier and blander. It needs something to sharpen it up, like mustard. Not something sugary like ketchup.
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I love ketchup.
I take it on my scrambled eggs. I take it on macaroni and cheese. I take it on toasted cheese instead of tomato soup!
If I get a sandwich and it comes with thick ruffled potato chips, I put ketchup on the chips.
But yes. The sweetness and fruity notes of ketchup is cloying as hell on a hot dog.
That is the kernel of truth around the comic exaggeration we've been running with.
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Ketchup haters: do you just oppose ketchup on hot dogs, or do you not like ketchup at all? I agree, mustard is the correct condiment for a hot dog, but it's not like I'd turn one down if it had ketchup on it. I mean, it's a hot dog.
Yes I love ketchup. It's perfect on french fries. It's good on pretty much anything that's fried. I even tried ketchup bread (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/411826888/) once.
Hey, I had forgotten about this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/2117657502/) Ha ha ha.
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I would not shed a single tear if ketchup vanished tomorrow.
I hate how in restaurants there is always ketchup everywhere, but they hide the mustard and make you ask for it. Friggin' bigots.
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i'm not a ketchup fan, myself, except for giant skin-on steak fries, then there's no substitute.
for hot dogs i like sauerkraut and brown mustard, or a dry meaty chili. for fries i add a ton of black pepper to mayo and very lightly dunk.
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for hot dogs i like sauerkraut and brown mustard, or a dry meaty chili.
Mustard AND chili. Hell yeah, that's right. And onions and cheese and toasted up real nice in the oven.
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Fries are properly server with old bay, pepper, salt, and ketchup. People who put mayo on fries are deranged. I know this because the only time I decided to put mayo on fries I was in no state to make any legal decisions.
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Is calling someone deranged over their condiment choice better or worse than calling them infantile?
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Paul, if this thread has taught me anything, it is that condiments are basically a window to a person's soul and how their mental status should be evaluated. :D
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Tru dat.
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I've heard tell that mayo MIXED with 'chup is grelish on fries but I've never tried it.
Mayo alone... does sound crazy... but I've probably done crazier.
Of course, I can't fathom gravy on fries, either. Cheese, sure, but cheese with gravy seems to make the choice of gravy even less appealing than just pouring gravy on them alone.
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to be fair, I typically put both ketchup and mustard on my hot dogs.
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Yeah, I am mustard first, but I might put some ketchup on with my veggie dogs. I don't really eat those too often though, cause they kinda blow, but it was the same in my meat days as well. The veggie corn dogs are pretty awesome. It has been probably a year since I had them, but this thread makes me want some bad. Oh man, you have to put ketchup and mustard on corn dogs right? It is so good, you all swirl it up. As a kid I used to dip cheetos in if I had extra after my corn dog.
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I will typically have mustard and tomato sauce (henceforth called ketchup for ease of communication) on my hot-dogs, though around here sausage on a bun and hot dogs tend to be different and we have more of the former than the latter. If it's a regular bbq'd sausage I'll go for bbq sauce over either but if it's a boiled type hot dog I'll grab the yellow mustard and ketchup. The thing is though that I don't care for ketchup on anything else, it's too sweet for me and I don't really like it. For crispy chips I much prefer a smokey bbq or sweet chilli.
There's a polish sausage stand that sets up in the city a couple of days a week, maybe I should check in there and there re-evaluate my opinions.
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My friend always tells the story that everytime his senile grandfather would take him to the Met game with another friend and his dad, he would constantly bring up the same conversation, "I like mustard on my hot dogs. I don't understand this ketchup. I like mustard on my hot dogs." Then he would ask the dudes, "Do you understand this ketchup on these hot dogs?"
Every game. Sometimes more than once.
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OH MAN YOU GUYS
2 parts mayo
1 part ketchup
garlic powder
worcestershire sauce
a ton of black pepper
THIS IS THE RECIPE FOR AWESOME SAUCE (in reality Zaxby's or Guthrie's sauce)
You can put it on fries or chicken! It gets better after a couple hours to mellow out, but it is SO GOOD. I wouldn't recommend it on a hot dog or any sort of red meat product, but it is seriously good on chicken fingers. And fries.
Also: apparently a California-style burrito that you get in not-California is different from a California Burrito you get here in southern California. A California Burrito is carne asada, cheese, and french fries. Apparently a California-style burrito is any generic burrito + avocado?
Also #2: Today I had tacos with avocado in them. SO GOOD. Chicken, onion, cheese, shredded cabbage, avocado, lime. Some glorious sauce that I can't yet suss out.
Also #3: I like dijon on my hot dogs these days. But giving up ketchup would be turning my back on my roots.
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"Do you understand this ketchup on these hot dogs?"
No. No, I don't.
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THIS IS THE RECIPE FOR AWESOME SAUCE (in reality Zaxby's or Guthrie's sauce)
Thanks. I love me some Zaxby's sauce.
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Also: apparently a California-style burrito that you get in not-California is different from a California Burrito you get here in southern California. A California Burrito is carne asada, cheese, and french fries. Apparently a California-style burrito is any generic burrito + avocado?
Are the french fries on the burrito or served as a side dish? Are there no beans on said burrito?
I think the main thing that distinguishes a California burrito from it's brethren is that the beans are whole rather than refried. The beans are sometimes black rather than pinto (i've seen them both ways). It also has rice along with the choice of meat and cheese, and can be had with any number of veggies added, avocado included. It's also typically wrapped in aluminum foil for whatever reason.
A Mexican style burrito, for lack of a better term, typically is filled with refried beans and some kind of meat and cheese. It's served on a plate topped with gravy and/or cheese and maybe onions.
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Of course, I can't fathom gravy on fries, either. Cheese, sure, but cheese with gravy seems to make the choice of gravy even less appealing than just pouring gravy on them alone.
Oh man, gravy fries with an open face roast beef sandwich is Comfort Food. Also: Diner Food. Any diner that does not offer this dish needs to seriously reevaluate its life choices.
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I hate ketchup, period.
I dip my fries in mayonnaise.
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So we now have 3 threads proving hot dog sauce is pretty much confined entirely to western PA.
Western New York has something called "chili sauce" (not really close to chili as we know it from Texas or elsewhere) that they put on hot dogs. I think that's close.
You know what I sometimes like on my french fries? Barbecue sauce. SUCK. ON. THAT.
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high five jay-ell. i guess it's a good thing i add so much pepper to my fries-dipping mayo, else i might be deranged and/or infantile. ::)
I think the main thing that distinguishes a California burrito from it's brethren is that the beans are whole rather than refried. The beans are sometimes black rather than pinto (i've seen them both ways). It also has rice along with the choice of meat and cheese, and can be had with any number of veggies added, avocado included. It's also typically wrapped in aluminum foil for whatever reason.
what you're describing here is known as a Mission burrito, from its origin (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/04/29/CM162769.DTL) at a restaurant in the Mission district of San Fransisco. a standard Mexican burrito isn't nearly as overpacked and tightly-wrapped as a Mission burrito, and the refried/whole bean distinction you make holds true. we have a great local chain called Willy's that makes a great Mission burrito; the biggest i've ever seen was a three-tortilla monster at Taqueria Quetzlcoatl in St. Pete FL. Just about the size of a tall newborn.
re:mayor
if you make mac&cheese and don't add barbecue sauce you are MISSING OUT
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You know what I sometimes like on my french fries? Barbecue sauce. SUCK. ON. THAT.
Salt and malt vinegar or death.
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I'm not very much into gravy at all... maybe on a hot open faced turkey sandwich, that's about it for me.
But I can SEE why people dig it on meats and such, it's just not my thing, I find that the combination of fattiness and duplication of flavour just obscures the flavour of the meat.
Some people could see it as an enhancement, sure.
Just not on fries. On fries, I don't see the logic.
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my former roommate famously ordered "a pizza chicken burger and disco fries" on new year's eve in brooklyn.
the reason the story was famous is that the waitress apparently said "you know it's not really a burger, right?"
"yeah"
"and... you know it's not really a pizza, right?"
"yeah."
"ok."
(chicken, on a bun, with marinara sauce and maybe some mozz cheese or something? i was not there, i was riding the subway for 3 hours and watching people puke)
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I would not call that a chicken pizza burger, either.
Maybe "a drunk man's shitty chicken parm".
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I've heard tell that mayo MIXED with 'chup is grelish on fries but I've never tried it.
OH MAN YOU GUYS
2 parts mayo
1 part ketchup
garlic powder
worcestershire sauce
a ton of black pepper
i have heard those things referred to as 'frysauce' by friends from out west(utah).
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i have heard those things referred to as 'frysauce' by friends from out west(utah).
Yes, frysauce, I remember that shit. It was the default condiment in Utah.
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I enjoy this idea that condiment/sauce preferences are either right or wrong. Anyway, here is the correct dipping sauce for anything fried:
Mash a garlic clove in a bowl into a paste and add some salt and saffron if you have it.
throw in 2 egg yolks with some lemon juice and dijon mustard, whisk that.
1.25 cups of of olive oil added until smooth.
pepper.
I also sometimes add hot sauce because everything in life needs a little spice.
Bam.
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Olive oil and salt are the proper condiment for fried calamari.
Oooh, now I want calamari. There is a strong possibility this will happen tonight, I am scheduled for some hoemance.
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the biggest i've ever seen was a three-tortilla monster at Taqueria Quetzlcoatl in St. Pete FL. Just about the size of a tall newborn.
re:mayor
if you make mac&cheese and don't add barbecue sauce you are MISSING OUT
when i went to mexico i had a burrito the size of my forearm, but a baby-sized burrito would last me at least a week.
also, i usually have salsa on my mac+cheese
... I am scheduled for some hoemance.
good luck, sistahfriend.
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Meyernaze BITCHES
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I would not call that a chicken pizza burger, either.
Maybe "a drunk man's shitty chicken parm".
Is this a parm? I thought they only existed in Middlesborough known as 'parmos' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S10rFrAuQi8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S10rFrAuQi8)
"Making a Parmo involves deep-frying a flattened chicken or pork fillet in an egg and breadcrumb batter, then smothering it in thick Bechamel sauce before topping off with cheddar cheese (the original Parmos were topped with Parmesan cheese, hence the name) and then grilling or baking in the pizza oven. Originally veal was used but later this was replaced by pork. In more recent times chicken became more popular as more Muslim-owned takeaway restaurants opened."
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Man, I am so not a mustard fan. I voted ranch, just because there was no other reasonable option.
For me a hot dog is something I'm not big on, but if I'm having one, cheese and fried onions are what I like. Neither are condiments.
Infact, upon deeper introspection, the only condiments I enjoy are mayo and mayo-like, but I do not like mayo on a hot dog as previously noted.
In other starch wrapped around proteins news, I had a killer chicken souvlaki pita yesterday. Tender chicken partying with tzatziki sauce, tomatoes, onions and lettuce. It was so fine.
Can tzatziki get some respect please? It is important that we recognize that tzatsiki is rad. Perhaps it needs to be renamed "awesome sauce" so that people are not so intimidated by all the "z" hanging out in there. Regardless tzatziki = rad. (re-donk-ulous side note: spell check thinks tzatziki is supposed to be testis, but let's not get our sauces confused, okay?)
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Oh man I love me some lamb gyros with tzatziki sauce. There's a greek place by me that does it up right. It is a constant struggle not to eat there at every meal.
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Oh man, yes. tzatziki on a gyro is so fine.
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Tzatziki sauce is a classic in every sense of the word.
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you like-a de juice?
Yes, I do. But you're making me wonder.