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Title: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 10, 2006, 02:15:54 pm
OK, I have been thinking of posting this for a while, and was given the kick in the ##### by this post (http://touamb.com/index.php/topic,3171.msg76730.html#msg76730) and by the fact that I have the day off today and am trying desperately not to do anything useful.

I would like to know what are the recent movies that Everyone has seen and refers to, like the Big Lebowski in that post, and another one that comes up all the time is Fight Club.  Recent is, what, past ten years? Maybe twenty?  Mostly what I don't want is a list of 'classics'.  We already tried the TOUAMB-inspired Classic Film Festival a while ago, which resulted in Technical Staff and I beating our heads against the concept of "Citizen Kane" fruitlessly. We don't want that to happen again.

It is safe to assume that I have seen basically nothing. Like, we spent the first many months of our Netflix subscription watching X-Files episodes.  And I just got HBO, and all I am watching is The Wire and I watched a Lewis Black comedy special.  That is the kind of person I am.  But I keep trying to reform. Help me.



Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jay-ell on October 10, 2006, 02:57:55 pm
Oh, I would love to help but I'm in the same boat.  Although I have seen Fight Club and it is one of my all-time favorite movies. 

I hear Pulp Fiction is one of the Minimum Requirements for Cultural Literacy, but I've never seen it. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 10, 2006, 03:00:22 pm
The Big Lebowski is a given. I know my friends and I reference PCU constantly, but it's really more of a teen movie.

I skipped Fight Club in the theatre because I thought it was a lame action movie. But it's totally worth watching. Go ahead and catch The Usual Suspects and The Spanish Prisoner while you're in the genre.

Spider-man was a good comic book movie but you can skip it as long as you're aware of the upside down kiss scene.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jay-ell on October 10, 2006, 03:18:10 pm
Spider-man was a good comic book movie but you can skip it as long as you're aware of the upside down kiss scene.

You're just being modest, Cort.  I thought you were great in that film.  ;)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 10, 2006, 03:20:52 pm
Office Space is always good for pop-culture references.  Tech Support should cringe and laugh appropriately.

The Office (either BBC or U.S. version), while not a movie, is also very good for sparking discussion among geeks.

High Fidelity is something I reference at least once a week. (PLUS it is set in Chicago)

Ferris Bueller's Day Off is a cultural touch-stone (also set in Chicago).

My friends refer to Boogie Nights often.  Feel mah heaaat!

The Matrix, obviously.

Rushmore is a good one.

Adaptation

All of the Star Wars movies.  Yes, ALL of them.

Aliens

I make Hurlyburly references a lot.  However, I believe I am only among 17 different people who have seen this movie.

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 10, 2006, 03:23:53 pm
I can't believe I forgot Office Space. Definitely worth watching, for reference value alone. Now you'll get stapler jokes.

When I worked at the video store I learned that there are only like 50 peope worldwide who can remember the Alien -> Aliens -> Alien 3 progression.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 10, 2006, 03:26:48 pm
You mean people get confused that Alien3 is the third movie?

I guess Alien Resurrection just completely throws them then, huh?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 10, 2006, 03:38:34 pm
You know, every time Fight Club comes up, I go read some reviews, and it seems so icky and, well, violent?

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on October 10, 2006, 03:45:40 pm
You know, every time Fight Club comes up, I go read some reviews, and it seems so icky and, well, violent?



I watched Fight Club on Sunday. As a teenage boy, I obviously find sex and violence deplorable, yet I enjoyed it immensely.

I don't recall referencing much from the silver screen here, but have you ever watched Withnail & I? You should watch Withnail & I.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on October 10, 2006, 03:58:32 pm
You know, every time Fight Club comes up, I go read some reviews, and it seems so icky and, well, violent?

Hell yes.

Suprisingly, though, it's not icky in a disgusting way, it's actually icky in a cute way that anyone can enjoy.  But you work with animal crap, no?  I'm sure you can stomach the ickiest of ick (but, my apologies if I assume incorrectly).

Fight Club and Lebowski are really on another level of must-see-ness.  Also, Pi is basically a masterpiece but to get the full effect, it helps to be addicted to cough syrup when you see it.  
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on October 10, 2006, 04:10:23 pm
I think I recommended this the last time this topic came up, but American Splendor remains sick-good.

On the subject of "bizarre movies I make constant reference to despite only people I know having seen it," I can't recommend The Green Butchers highly enough. It's a Danish black comedy about cannibalism and cannibalism-related topics, and it's a trip from beginning to end. While it does have icky parts (you know, dismembered dead bodies and such), most of the movie is very clean and very strange. If you ever wanted to learn how to say "don't threaten me with that giraffe!" or "Svend, I smoke twenty joints a day; I couldn't smell it if my hair was on fire" in Danish, this movie will teach you.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on October 10, 2006, 05:04:57 pm
I hear Pulp Fiction is one of the Minimum Requirements for Cultural Literacy, but I've never seen it. 

Go watch it now.  Right now.  I mean it, young lady!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on October 10, 2006, 07:20:51 pm
damn, there are a handful of movies I haven't seen here, too!

daayumn!

Fight Club is a must.
Pulp Fiction is a must.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 10, 2006, 07:42:43 pm
OK, I am putting some of these in my Netflix queue even as we type but...  Pulp Fiction, isn't that all full of blood and guts too?  What is it with all the violence?  (And never mind the fact that I couldn't even remember by the end of the episode whether three or four people had died on The Wire this week... I watch it in spite of that.)  Automaton-deity is correct that I am tough enough to pick up poop with my bare hands but I really don't see the attraction of watching violence.  Must cultural literacy involve so much gore?

Also, I am going to assume that saying I should watch ALL the Star Wars movies is one of those Jough practical jokes, where I would come back and report that I had watched the prequel ones and then he would laugh at how he had fooled me into undergoing this suffering.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: JorgeFabregas on October 10, 2006, 09:06:55 pm
Must cultural literacy involve so much gore?
If it's contemporary American cultural literacy, probably.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on October 10, 2006, 09:07:50 pm
Pulp  Fiction really isn't very violent. It has it's moments, but it's all far tamer than it appeared those years ago. Fight Club does certainly have its moments of real violence, but it's not really about that, and what it is is a damned good movie, and well worth seeing. It's also hell of funny, and smart. And the Big Lebowski is pretty much one of my favourites, a 9/10 movie at worst, sheer brilliance the whole way through.

As Jough mentions too, Rushmore is a wonderful movie, though I feel anything by Wes Anderson is solid gold.The Life Aquatic, while flawed, is probably up there with Big Lebowski for me, as the flaws are so intrinsic to the film that I wouldn't have it without them. Kind of stops them being flaws really.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on October 10, 2006, 09:29:00 pm
Pulp  Fiction really isn't very violent. It has it's moments, but it's all far tamer than it appeared those years ago. Fight Club does certainly have its moments of real violence, but it's not really about that, and what it is is a damned good movie, and well worth seeing. It's also hell of funny, and smart. And the Big Lebowski is pretty much one of my favourites, a 9/10 movie at worst, sheer brilliance the whole way through.

As Jough mentions too, Rushmore is a wonderful movie, though I feel anything by Wes Anderson is solid gold.The Life Aquatic, while flawed, is probably up there with Big Lebowski for me, as the flaws are so intrinsic to the film that I wouldn't have it without them. Kind of stops them being flaws really.

Oh yeah, absolutely, but I would go with The Royal Tenebaums as the quisessential Wes Anderson.  That cab has a dent in it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 10, 2006, 10:46:09 pm
Tenenbaums is also excellent, but Rushmore has more of a place in my heart.

I love Election too in that same naive cinema kind of way, but it's not as much of a culturallly significant film.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: JorgeFabregas on October 10, 2006, 11:19:40 pm
Pulp  Fiction really isn't very violent. It has it's moments, but it's all far tamer than it appeared those years ago.
These things are relative. It certainly isn't non-stop action/violence, but there is one scene in particular where the off-camera violence is fairly, er, vigorous.

It's not particularly gory.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on October 10, 2006, 11:26:23 pm
I would recomend Pulp Fiction and Resovoir Dogs.  Anything by Wes Anderson and, most importantly, Big Lebowski.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on October 10, 2006, 11:37:59 pm
I love Wes Anderson so much.

I was trying to explain to these fellows from my film class that the intro (ie: the opening credits. I guess that isn't really the intro) from The Life Aquatic are just like the ones in Citizen Kane. Mostly in terms of not having any backing music, and the big Block letters that say "The Life Aquatic."

Wombie-- I like Fight Club and Pulp Fiction, and I can barely stand gore. Reservoir Dogs, however, was beyond my abilities.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on October 10, 2006, 11:55:16 pm
What's with the hate on gore?  It's the final frontier of film.

If you feel like pushing your limits with some fantastical-gore-beasts, a serious must-see is John Carpenter's The Thing.  And when you see how awesome that movie is, you'll want to go with his earlier work with Rowdy Roddy Piper and his magic glasses in They Live.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 11, 2006, 12:39:07 am
OK, the Technical Staff says he once rented Pulp Fiction, and he only watched the first ten minutes of it and then quit because it was nothing but gratuitous gore.  I can't figure out how to reconcile this with all the previous messages. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on October 11, 2006, 12:51:25 am
I can't even think of any gore in the first 10 minutes. There is a little blood, and some violence, but... isn't it like an 8 minute shot of the guys wandering around that apartment complex?

this is another film I really need to purchase.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on October 11, 2006, 01:43:25 am
OK, the Technical Staff says he once rented Pulp Fiction, and he only watched the first ten minutes of it and then quit because it was nothing but gratuitous gore.  I can't figure out how to reconcile this with all the previous messages. 

The Technical Staff needs to grow a set.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: JorgeFabregas on October 11, 2006, 01:57:14 am
OK, the Technical Staff says he once rented Pulp Fiction, and he only watched the first ten minutes of it and then quit because it was nothing but gratuitous gore.  I can't figure out how to reconcile this with all the previous messages. 
It's all relative. He knows your sensibilities more than we do.
The Technical Staff needs to grow a set.
::)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 11, 2006, 03:18:54 am
Um, there is no gore nor violence really in the first ten minutes of Pulp Fiction.  Unless you count someone pointing a gun at someone to be "violence."

Seriously, Tech Staff is full of shit in this case.  First bit of violence doesn't happen for the first like, twenty minutes, and even then it's off camera.  Then there isn't any violence again for an hour or so.  And then not that much.

It's really not that violent a film.  I've seen kids movies with more violence in them.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on October 11, 2006, 06:56:02 am
I break my Lebowski-imposed exile because none of you have mentioned Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind have you? No! You will thrill, you will marvel, you will be convinced Jim Carrey AND Kate Blachett can act!
While I'm here....

Pulp fiction is an excellent start in the school of Tarantino, I'd see it before Resovoir Dogs because it's a little more accessible (I think) and though you don't like gore I'd recommend Kill Bill 1 since it is just a hell of a lot of fun. Pulp fiction gore depends on the version you get (I've seen some versions gorier than others) but really the gore is always peripheral to the story which is really just a bunch of people having awesome conversations.

Collateral is another great movie, a few people die but it's mainly a good movie because of the incredible tension that makes every scene creak. Plus Tom Cruise can act! Who knew? Also a good metaphor for people making prisons out of their own lives if you're into that kind of thing.

Hero is pure beauty, see it on the biggest screen you can find.

I agree with Usual Suspects, while we're on Kevin Spacey go see American Beauty too.

Mysterious Skin was probably the hardest movie I've watched in the last year but I'd recommend it, I don't know if I'd say it was insightful but it certainly was powerful.

To finish off I'm just going to assume you are a complete heathen and you haven't seen Dr. Strangelove, Go see it now. NOW.

While we're on old movies In the Heat of the Night is wonderful too, I would have Sidney Potier's inter-racial babies.

Oh and the Man who would be King.

I saw an Inconvenient Truth a little while ago and while the stuff it presents isn't exactly new and it's not really a movie it was rather entertaining, but you want something without too much Gore so I guess that's off the list. Aw dang I'm sorry for that, you didn't deserve that one.

Away again!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: smick on October 11, 2006, 09:34:23 am

I skipped Fight Club in the theatre because I thought it was a lame action movie. But it's totally worth watching. Go ahead and catch The Usual Suspects and The Spanish Prisoner while you're in the genre.


At the time Fight Club came out, the Promise Keepers were starting to make big news.   At the same time, a coworker had a Fight Club screen saver with some quote from the movie.   I think it was in reference to Bob, and the crying.  Somehow in my head, the movie became about manly dudes punching each other and then crying, and reclaiming the sacred divine. 

I took a pass on that movie.   
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on October 11, 2006, 10:51:34 am
I break my Lebowski-imposed exile because none of you have mentioned Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind have you? No! You will thrill, you will marvel, you will be convinced Jim Carrey AND Kate Blachett can act!

This is very true. Eteernal Sunshine is a great movie too. Basically, I have discovered, anything written by Charlie Kaufman is awesome. Eternal Sunshine, Being John Malkovich, Adaptation (fantastic!)... Confessions of a Dangerous Mind might be good, but then Kaufman complained about Clooney running away and changing it without talking to him, and how he hates directors who do that, so I'm not holding out nearly as much hope for it. Must get round to it...
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on October 11, 2006, 12:26:23 pm
I break my Lebowski-imposed exile because none of you have mentioned Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind have you? No! You will thrill, you will marvel, you will be convinced Jim Carrey AND Kate Winslet can act!
Fixed that for you.

This is very true. Eteernal Sunshine is a great movie too. Basically, I have discovered, anything written by Charlie Kaufman is awesome. Eternal Sunshine, Being John Malkovich, Adaptation (fantastic!)... Confessions of a Dangerous Mind might be good, but then Kaufman complained about Clooney running away and changing it without talking to him, and how he hates directors who do that, so I'm not holding out nearly as much hope for it. Must get round to it...
Highly entertaining film, as good as the book. Yes, Kaufman's a wonderful writer, but that doesn't mean everything that leaks out his typing fingers is perfect, and a screenplay is always -always- open for interpretation by the director. Why do you think it's so rare that someone writes and directs his own films? Because they turn out like Emilio Estevez's work in most cases. Anyway, Sam Rockwell's a hoot.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 11, 2006, 01:21:18 pm
The original Italian Job was pretty entertaining and has a great chase scene with the 3 Mini Coopers.

The Cooler was one of my favorites from the film festival a couple years ago. It's really interesting and features nudity from people with body types not normally featured in movies. Plus how can you go wrong with William H. Macy?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on October 11, 2006, 02:44:41 pm
On the vague subject of heist movies, I'm a big fan of the Ocean's 11 remake. It's not exactly high cinema, but it's enjoyable and quite well done for what it is.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on October 11, 2006, 02:45:50 pm
See, wombat, with your aversion to violence, I was thinking maybe March of the Penguins would be the movie to suggest, but then I remember how I traumatized a couple four year olds because I forgot the part where the almost hatched baby penguins die, and also there's that one shot of a seal grabbing a penguin...  But it really is worth seeing, and doing the work you do, you are basically required to see it.  Seriously - if I want Morgan Freeman to follow me around and narrate my life.

I also vote for American Splendor and The Royal Tennenbaums/Life Aquatic and Being John Malcovich.  None of these are violent or sex heavy.  

When it comes to the ones with violence, depravity or sex in em' I have to agree with all of the above, especially Fight Club and Pulp Fiction.  I'd also add The Birds, Eraserhead, Blue Velvet,  A Clockwork Orange, The Crying Game, The Godfather, Psycho, , and Scarface to the list (sorry, some of these aren't all that recent, but they get referenced like crazy and are great).

Not that referenced, but still great are Edward Scissor Hands, The Professional, Bowling for Columbine.  Also, A Christmas Story never makes anyone's must see list, I think because they only think about it at Christmas... but it's just perfect.

Also Magnolia, Amelie, and the Hours are must see, but Tech Support will probably not want to watch these.

As for more recent culturally referenced movies, Broke Back Mountain (although I found it boring and contrived in parts) has been, and will continue to be referenced to death.  Same goes for Pirates of the Carribean, which I couldn't stomach at all.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 11, 2006, 02:49:15 pm
Magnolia is an important film for me, but remember, kids, we're talking about wombat's lack of cultural literacy and not just movies that we think are great.

In other words, if a film is really good (like Magnolia or Amelie) but haven't really become part of cultural references (although I guess Amelie had a little reach when it was out) then it doesn't belong on the list.

Basically Wombat and Tech Support want to understand what people are saying at social gatherings.  They're looking to appreciate the cinema patois of the natives.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on October 11, 2006, 03:08:21 pm
Basically Wombat and Tech Support want to understand what people are saying at social gatherings.  They're looking to appreciate the cinema patois of the natives.


Snakes on a Plane! SNAKES ON A PLANE!!!

MOTHER FUCKlNG SNAKES ON A MOTHER FUCKlNG PLANE!



Well, at least where I hang out.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 11, 2006, 03:30:52 pm
So what great lines of dialogue or situations in the film do you and your hangers discuss?

I think if you've heard the title, and are aware of that one line that originated from some smart-ass on the internet, then you have all the information you need about Snakes on a Plane.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on October 11, 2006, 03:39:48 pm
Uh...yeah, and that one time where that one guy kills the snakes.  Or that other time when the snakes kill those people.

Seriously though, as sad as it sounds, this movie was pretty big in my group of friends for about 2 days.  Soon enough I will have the Marine to wash away the memories in malt liquor and laughter.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 11, 2006, 04:30:26 pm
Soon enough I will have the Marine to wash away the memories in malt liquor and laughter.

::weeps::

Please tell me you didn't watch See No Evil and won't be seeing The Condemned
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on October 11, 2006, 05:45:32 pm
in regards to Eternal Sunshine: did anyone go see The Science of Sleep? I really enjoyed it. partly because the main character's confrontation style is the same as mine! (Why don't you love me! You hate me! *runs away and sobs in bed like a 7-year-old*)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 11, 2006, 07:29:40 pm
Basically Wombat and Tech Support want to understand what people are saying at social gatherings.  They're looking to appreciate the cinema patois of the natives.


Jough has the right idea, although of course there was no way this wasn't going to wander.  That's OK, reading it is probably better than watching movies.

I would like to say that I have indeed seen Dr Strangelove, and at least four of the movies Side_show mentions.  Also, Being John Malkovich, which is exactly the kind of movie I actually like.  But probably nothing else mentioned here.

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 11, 2006, 09:04:16 pm
Then you have a lot of catching up to do, womby.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on October 11, 2006, 09:39:54 pm
::weeps::

Please tell me you didn't watch See No Evil and won't be seeing The Condemned

My shitty taste in movies is acknowledged by me.  I really really do not like movies.  I have really horrible eyes and a pretty poor attention span (well, really only when it comes to movies).  I feel the same way about T.V.  It is just something about the way I take in information, I do it better through books and music.  Movies and T.V. just do not appeal to me.  In fact, I have never heard of either the movies you mentioned.  I only see movies, besides a select few, to get drunk with friends and watch crap movies.  I would say I go to the theater about 5 times a year and probably rent less than that.  The only movies I own are The Big Lebowski, The Quest for the Holy Grail and The Life of Brian.  I will admit that I like documentaries, but that is kind of a different thing. 

Speaking of those movies, Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail is often alluded to in social situations, you should probably give that a go if you are not already familiar with it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 11, 2006, 10:41:34 pm
I am extremely well versed in Monty Python, fortunately. 

I also like books much more than things which are filmed.  But lately my taste in books has become extremely fussy so I can't spend as much time enjoying that as I used to.  So, I am trying to like movies more.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 11, 2006, 11:09:02 pm
In fact, I have never heard of either the movies you mentioned.

That is a relief. See No Evil was a horror movie staring Kane and The Condemned isn't out yet but it stars "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. Seeing them would only encourage more wrestler movies which is the last thing we need.

Dwayne Johnson was a fluke! The rest of you stay the hell out of movies and TV!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Limmo on October 12, 2006, 02:26:43 am
You want to see a movie?  This looks like one to be reckoned with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUuuBe4Glmk&eurl=).

Grindhouse is supposed to be like a night at a 70's drive-in.  It's going to be two movies - a Tarantino slasher film and a Robert Rodriguez zombie film - with fake trailers interspersed.  One of the fake trailers is for Machete - "he knows the score, he gets the women and he kills the bad guys."  I don't give a shit about the zombie stuff, but God help me, I want to see a full-length Machete movie. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: smick on October 12, 2006, 03:14:03 am
Machete needs no one, but Machete.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AlohaDawg on October 19, 2006, 08:13:01 pm
I'd like to get some of you on my Netflix Friends list to see what you have to say about movies.

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on October 19, 2006, 08:43:06 pm
I'd like to get some of you on my Netflix Friends list to see what you have to say about movies.



Yeah totally.  You need e-mail addresses to invite people to be your friend.

Me   pmcd9_2000 at yahoo dot com
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 20, 2006, 02:35:56 am
I'm dvd at jough dot com there.

Friend me!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on October 20, 2006, 09:55:17 am
I went to jough.com, because I had never been.  The last song you had listened to was Mother by Danzig.  That is awesome.  That is all.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 27, 2006, 01:33:55 am
We saw Office Space.  I have to say that sometimes I wasn't sure whether I wanted to laugh or run screaming from the room.  The thing is, corporate culture these days has gone so far beyond self-parody that a well done parody of it is so realistic that it almost isn't funny. Definitely if I am ever on the verge of giving up and getting a desk job again, I will watch this movie to remind me not to.

I will also say in its favor that it was the perfect length, one and a half hours.  It is my belief that no movie should ever be more than one and a half hours.

We have Fight Club and Big Lebowski in the queue.  I will report back.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on October 27, 2006, 02:18:27 am
I have to say that sometimes I wasn't sure whether I wanted to laugh or run screaming from the room. 

Sounds like someone's got a case of the Mondays.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on October 27, 2006, 03:13:33 am
I notice you're wearing the minimum amount of flair.

I saw Office Space while working in a cubicle, having come from a place where I had to wear flair, and it was basically as sad as it was funny for me.  the "Every day is the worst day of my life" line was something my friend and I muttered to each other all the time when we worked in the veal fattening pens. 

Also, people steal so much shit from my desk at the theatre, but since there is no soul crushing aspects to my job there, I never find myself thinking of Office Space when I'm wandering around searching for my stapler.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on October 27, 2006, 04:48:19 am
but since there is no soul crushing aspects to my job...

Do you know why this is?

It is because you are the boss there...





LUMBERGH!!!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on October 27, 2006, 12:09:33 pm
Oh!  I forgot to mention - they have Hawaiian Shirt Fridays at the Technical Staff's office.  I assume this a reference to the movie, but is this something people did before that the movie imitated?  It is not initiated by the bosses and they actually think it is fun, so I suspect it is a reference.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 27, 2006, 12:51:56 pm
Oh!  I forgot to mention - they have Hawaiian Shirt Fridays at the Technical Staff's office.  I assume this a reference to the movie, but is this something people did before that the movie imitated?  It is not initiated by the bosses and they actually think it is fun, so I suspect it is a reference.

We're not allowed to have Hawaiian shirt days at my office. There might be Visitors in the Building.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jay-ell on October 27, 2006, 01:52:38 pm
I haven't seen Office Space, but I've worked a cube farms.   

When I worked at Major Pharmaceutical Conglomerate (eight years ago), we had "casual Fridays."  That meant you could wear jeans with your golf shirt instead of khakis, if there were no Visitors scheduled to be in the Building. 

Now that Pedro works at Enormous Computer Company, his boss's boss wears Hawaiian shirts every day.  They also have an Always Wears Black Guy and a Guy Who Wears That One T-Shirt Every Day.  (The shirt says, "I'm out of bed and dressed, what more do you want?")  Apparently they have several Kicks Off His/Her Shoes And Forgets To Put Them Back On People.  Pedro is going for Excessively Professionally Dressed Guy by wearing a shirt and tie every day, even though he doesn't have to. 

You've got to make your mark somehow, I guess. 

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 27, 2006, 02:06:04 pm
I don't even own a Hawaiian shirt, so I don't have to worry about when I can or can't wear it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on October 27, 2006, 02:17:21 pm
Now that Pedro works at Enormous Computer Company, his boss's boss wears Hawaiian shirts every day.  They also have an Always Wears Black Guy and a Guy Who Wears That One T-Shirt Every Day.  (The shirt says, "I'm out of bed and dressed, what more do you want?")  Apparently they have several Kicks Off His/Her Shoes And Forgets To Put Them Back On People.  Pedro is going for Excessively Professionally Dressed Guy by wearing a shirt and tie every day, even though he doesn't have to.

I'm going to assume that Always Wears Black Guy is known around the office as "The Darkness."

Last year a woman at my office was pregnant and walked around with no shoes on the entire time. People kept asking, "why ain't you in the kitchen?!" We also have Guy Who Thinks the Ban on Printed Shirts Doesn't Apply to Trite religious Slogans. He's also Rules About Radio Volume Don't Apply to Me Guy.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on October 27, 2006, 02:56:21 pm
I work with a Samir.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Ben-San on October 28, 2006, 06:01:05 am
I went back three pages to find out what the hell this had to do with watching movies. I wanted to tell people that i watched The Great Escape and Stalag 17 this week, and also went out to see The Prestige.

But I guess that lacking a story about inappropriate ##### I am Not Allowed Here.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on October 28, 2006, 06:24:11 am
I went back three pages to find out what the hell this had to do with watching movies. I wanted to tell people that i watched The Great Escape and Stalag 17 this week, and also went out to see The Prestige.

But I guess that lacking a story about inappropriate ****** I am Not Allowed Here.

Fair enough. The lengthy inappropriate-trouser discussion has been moved to a topic in Wild Card.

So, movies. What do you think?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 28, 2006, 04:06:09 pm
The Departed was EXCELLENT.  Scorsese's best since Goodfellas.

The Black Dahlia was very disappointing, especially since it started off so strongly.

Arrested Development Season 3 (while not a movie) is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.  Great stuff.  (Yes, I held out to watch it on DVD rather than when it was on - which I guess was part of the ratings problem, huh?)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on October 28, 2006, 04:35:14 pm
Bob Loblaw
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 28, 2006, 05:06:20 pm
I just finished reading Bob Loblaw's Law Blog.

God, only three seasons, whereas Mad About You and Everybody Loves Raymond just went on and on and on.

How long was Will & Grace on?  Sheesh.

And my favourite show last year (Kitchen Confidential) was canceled after only airing three episodes.  Also on Fox.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on October 28, 2006, 06:06:24 pm

And my favourite show last year (Kitchen Confidential) was canceled after only airing three episodes.  Also on Fox.


I am currently grabbing more. And have just seen episode four. I also watched the three episodes that aired and was quite taken by it, and just discovered thanks to tviv.org that they have released the whole thirteen run since. It's downloading fairly fast too. meanwhile I've been hacking fingers off and thinking even more of Bourdain.
Doesn't quite make up for them axing Arrested Development which is one of the best comedies in a long while, as well featuring De Rossi, but it's good to have an extra ten.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on October 28, 2006, 06:24:16 pm
Yeah, I got the rest of Kitchen Confidential from when it aired in Australia, but I'd totally buy a DVD of the complete series.

Meanwhile, the new shows this season mostly suck.  Shark is pretty good but I don't think I'd miss it.  The new sitcoms all seem to suck.  I had hopes for 30 Rock but alas. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 12, 2006, 01:07:19 am
We just finished The Big Lebowski.  It took two evenings.  It was a movie that moved at, um, a rather leisurely pace, shall we say.

The Technical Staff's review:  This movie was better if you watched it drunk, or probably stoned.

As for me, this was a very satisfactory entrant in the this particular film festival.  Like, now I understand all the times I have heard people say significantly that the rug tied the room together.  Also, didn't we used have to have someone who posted here who called himself thedudeabides?  Anyway, A for its cultural literacy contribution.

In the long run I actually think I liked it.  It was one of those things of which it ought to be said that anyone attempting to find a plot in it would be shot.  But, well, sometimes plot is overrated.  Really my main criticism is that the Dude's hair was too clean all the time.  It was unrealistic.

I think my favorite moment of all was when the African cabdriver throws him out because he says he hates The Eagles.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on November 12, 2006, 01:47:37 am
In the long run I actually think I liked it.  It was one of those things of which it ought to be said that anyone attempting to find a plot in it would be shot.  But, well, sometimes plot is overrated. 

This is how I feel when I read Neal Stephenson novels.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on November 12, 2006, 01:57:31 am
It was one of those things of which it ought to be said that anyone attempting to find a plot in it would be shot. 

There's certainly a plot, it's just impossible to ascertain on the first viewing.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on November 12, 2006, 02:29:45 am
Man, I use lines from Lebowski in my everyday life all the time.

Just last night I think I yelled at some dude for bumping into me "there's a beverage here, man!"
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 12, 2006, 02:51:26 am
There's certainly a plot, it's just impossible to ascertain on the first viewing.

If so, would you mind explaining, if there was never a kidnapping in the first place, how the nihilists with the ferret... oh, never mind. There's no point in overthinking this.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on November 12, 2006, 04:54:47 am
If so, would you mind explaining, if there was never a kidnapping in the first place, how the nihilists with the ferret... oh, never mind. There's no point in overthinking this.

I think the guy that floats in the pool has something to do with informing the Nihilists, or perhaps is one of them himself.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on November 12, 2006, 09:05:51 am
So, will you be watching Withnail and I next?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on November 12, 2006, 02:43:54 pm
Isn't the guy floating in the pool Peter Stormare, the "head" nihilist?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on November 12, 2006, 06:20:33 pm
dude, I totally thought of Eagles-cab-driver-guy when I took a cab the other day.

...I had never dealt with taking a cab before. it was pretty intense, and he was blasting rap music at 6 AM.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 12, 2006, 08:25:27 pm
Isn't the guy floating in the pool Peter Stormare, the "head" nihilist?

Ah, that would explain it.

Next is Fight Club.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on November 12, 2006, 10:40:59 pm
You're in for a treat watching all of these cult films one after the other.  I wish I could rewatch some of them for the first time again.

It'll be the upside to my future severe head trauma, I guess.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 14, 2006, 05:41:20 pm
Yeah, I got the rest of Kitchen Confidential from when it aired in Australia, but I'd totally buy a DVD of the complete series.


I was just rereading this thread and realized that this is something I'd rather see than most movies. Can you tell me how you got it?  I have the vague, out-of-touch idea that there are places where people can illegally download tv shows, but since I only know it from mentions on a board where is forbidden to talk about where you can illegally download things, I remain fundamentally ignorant.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on November 16, 2006, 05:51:41 am
Maybe if you email me your address I can make sure you get something in the mail.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 16, 2006, 01:11:50 pm
I guess now that Jough lives so far away it's safe enough to send him my address.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 19, 2006, 02:39:32 am
We saw Fight Club.  Well now, that was not at all what we expected.

Technical Staff must have really liked it because we watched it all in one night, despite how excessively long it was.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on November 19, 2006, 03:43:57 am
We saw Fight Club.  Well now, that was not at all what we expected.


Told you.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on November 19, 2006, 12:23:22 pm
Wombat, you seem immune to my cinematic recommendations, but I watched A Clockwork Orange last night and if you (or anyone else here) hasn't seen it, I can't recommend it enough. It's a really, really great film, and I thought I'd recommend it as it seems the type of film you are after at the moment.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on November 19, 2006, 01:50:03 pm
We saw Fight Club.  Well now, that was not at all what we expected.

Technical Staff must have really liked it because we watched it all in one night, despite how excessively long it was.

I'm guessing you went in reluctantly expecting Blood Sport. Me too
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on November 19, 2006, 02:40:52 pm
Not so much the blood sport as the style and not expecting the, well, fantasy aspect of it. It's hard to say much more without being spoilerish for those who haven't seen it.

Tech Staff denies he enjoyed it, by the way.  He says it 'made him feel bad' and 'was stupid' and that he only kept watching to see if it ever got a plot. I am not sure I believe this though.

I may have seen A Clockwork Orange.  Or did I just read the book?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on November 19, 2006, 06:44:05 pm
Judy-- I have only seen one scene of that film. My film professor was all "I hate this film, but I will show you this clip anyway. (shows awesome scene that made us all want to watch it)"
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on November 19, 2006, 06:46:11 pm
Judy-- I have only seen one scene of that film. My film professor was all "I hate this film, but I will show you this clip anyway. (shows awesome scene that made us all want to watch it)"

Yer professor knows nuthin. Go see it now.

It's a cliche, but I went to Fancy Dress Day at school as the titular Alex. While I do not possess the correct locks of hair or a stick to beat people with, I still succeeded in scaring young children and eliciting a scream when I jumped out at a friend.

Also, I got to wear braces and feel like a gentleman.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on November 20, 2006, 03:28:27 am
I did not like  A Clockwork Orange but when I saw it I was visiting some friends in another state and had been doing blow for 3 days (I brought it and we were out, so I felt like shit, is what this means) and watched it n the day I was coming down from my little binge.  I should see it again, but I remember much boredom during the first time I watched it. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on November 20, 2006, 05:06:06 am
How could you have been anything but bored during a comedown on a bender like that?

all racking your brain to figure out who has some that you can get

all calling the bank to find out your balance

all rationalizing not having to go to work tomorrow
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on November 20, 2006, 05:32:45 am
How could you have been anything but bored during a comedown on a bender like that?

all racking your brain to figure out who has some that you can get

all calling the bank to find out your balance

all rationalizing not having to go to work tomorrow


1 can for this.  Been there.  Done that.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on November 20, 2006, 06:06:12 am
I have been there and done that as well.  Only this time I was in a different state (no connections), with alot of cash on me, and no work the next day.  I need to see the movie again, at least 5 close friends would probably put it in their top 10's if they were forced to name their favorite movies. 

The worst part of coming down off of something like that is the emptiness.  I could not have forced myself to be bored or entertained or anything, just sit there, empty, acting like I am watching a movie with two other people that I am very good friends with acting exactly the same.  All wanting to say something, but not wanting to think of anything to say or to possibly have to listen to a response.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on November 20, 2006, 07:11:47 am
CWO is too colorful to be coming down off the white.

Ironically, the only color movie that I would enjoy more on blow is C&C's Up In Smoke.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AlohaDawg on November 27, 2006, 04:38:01 am
Oh!  I forgot to mention - they have Hawaiian Shirt Fridays at the Technical Staff's office.  I assume this a reference to the movie, but is this something people did before that the movie imitated?  It is not initiated by the bosses and they actually think it is fun, so I suspect it is a reference.

Movie? Not hardly. We get to wear Aloha shirts every day. Reyn Spooner more or less invented "Aloha Friday" (http://www.reyns.com/company.htm) here in the islands in the 50's. There are very expensive, business class hawaiian shirts here that cost $150 (Mine usually go around $40-$60) and it's very easy to tell a "tourist" shirt from a "local professional" shirt. Check out Reyn Spooner's website (http://www.reyns.com/mens.htm) for really nice, high end, work-type Aloha shirts. (Not "Hawaiian" shirts.)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on November 27, 2006, 05:21:30 am
I've got to say, those are some amazing Hawaiian shirts, especially this one:

http://www.reyns.com/SC101_Services/SC101_Shopper/showItem.php?menuId=22&itemNum=70
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 11, 2006, 02:55:48 am
OK, this one is no one else's fault, but we just saw The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou.  Blame this one on a colleague of mine at the aquarium who is always making references to it, so I had to see what it was about, and blame it on Roger Ebert, who says about it "I can't recommend it, but I would not for one second discourage you from seeing it."  Which was just too intriguing.  And turns out to be perfect.  I mean, my review of this would have been "WTF?", and yet I had no trouble sitting through two hours of it. 

Also a while ago I saw Dark City on an earlier recommendation of Jough's. It seemed to be put together entirely of elements that you have already seen in other science fiction: the dying alien race that kidnaps humans to try to find a way to survive (X-Files, anyone?), the human soul being something the collective-mind alien race doesn't have - for once could someone write a story about, like, humans finding an alien race with BETTER souls, or something? Star Trek has done the human-soul-envy thing to death and I'm not sure it was ever that interesting an idea in the first place. The world being changed with everyone unaware except a couple of people who somehow realize it's happening - read The Lathe of Heaven for a better version of that. Aliens who can change reality with their minds - oh, ho hum. A lot of good it is doing them, with them needing to be going extinct for plot purposes and all.  And the love interest whose memory is wiped clean of the relationship so the person aware of the changes, see above, has to start all over. I mean, haven't you seen ALL of these movies before?

I think you had to really care about how the movie looked, and about special effects, to think this was a good movie.  Which I don't. Now Jough will come and yell at me.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on December 11, 2006, 03:44:35 am
damn, I totally love The Life Aquatic. On a deep level.

wait, did you like it? or not? I can't tell. The use of the word Blame makes me think it's a no.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 11, 2006, 03:55:33 am
I can't tell either.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on December 11, 2006, 04:33:37 am
I hated, absolutely hated, the Life Aquatic the first time I saw it.  Now, with repeated viewings, I would put it on level with the other Anderson movies I have seen.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on December 11, 2006, 06:22:08 am
You know how you have these albums or CDs or mp3s that you wouldn't really sit and listen to? And you know how you still play them in your general playlist during a party, between other music you truly enjoy? Background music. Stuff you enjoy, but don't focus on.

That is The Life Aquatic to me. I'll enjoy Rushmore again and again, and notice something new most every time. Bottle Rocket, more the former and less the latter; The Royal Tenenbaums more the latter, less the former. The Life Aquatic, I'll notice something new every time, but I'll only every enjoy it so much. I think it's a lovely film-as-art movie, but don't forget that film-is-also-entertainment. It costs money to see a film, but it doesn't cost money to see a painting (to get into the museum, sure, but that's to see the collection, not the painting) - paintings are art. Film, in most cases is only half art.

Basically what I am saying is if I had people over for dinner, and didn't plan on watching TV with them, and The Life Aquatic came on TBS, I'd turn it on and turn down the volume and let it play.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on December 11, 2006, 06:32:25 am
To me, Life Aquatic was a partially-failed attempted at doing something really weird and great.

Which is 10,000X better by my estimation than a well-made picture of popcorn schlock that does exactly what it attempted to be.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on December 11, 2006, 06:37:30 am
Yep, time for a poll.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on December 11, 2006, 06:54:19 am
To me, Life Aquatic was a partially-failed attempted at doing something really weird and great.

Which is 10,000X better by my estimation than a well-made picture of popcorn schlock that does exactly what it attempted to be.

I think everyone on this board would agree with your point, as concerned to the arts, in your second sentence.  I just wish I knew what a schlock was.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on December 11, 2006, 07:15:24 am
yeah, I really need to see Rushmore. I am told that I will love it by many.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on December 11, 2006, 01:03:17 pm
A schlock is like a combination of a schlong and a cock. 

Wombat, I would never yell at you about not liking a great film.  Your dissatisfaction is punishment enough.  I know what you mean about all of the elements of Dark City being from other sources, but that describes every movie.  Are you saying you are bored with tropes now?  You don't like movies that have genres?  Oh, womby, you are going down a dark road from which I cannot offer you rescue or escape.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 11, 2006, 03:24:54 pm
I know what you mean.  But sometimes, you put together familiar elements and the work comes out as more than the sum of its parts, and the familiarity of the elements are good because they resonate beyond that one work, etc. And sometimes it doesn't. For me, at least, it didn't.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on December 11, 2006, 04:29:43 pm
See I saw Life Aquatic with a big group of friends and I sat next to my weird foreign friend who was totally captivated by Willem Defoe's character Klaus.  Sitting next to a weird foreign guy laughing at a guy for being weird and foreign is very entertaining all by itself.  I really enjoyed it the movie and the company.  It was magical.  But then, I'm a fan of melancholy recent Bill Murray movies.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 11, 2006, 05:01:07 pm
"Magical" might be a good word for it, in the sense of 'better if you are on drugs.'  We did stop in the middle and make margaritas, which might have made a difference.

But yeah, it was sort of this out of body experience.  It didn't make any sense, I had no idea what they were really trying to acheive, but I just kept sitting there.  Usually I have a lot of rants and raves about a movie that I didn't llike and didn't think worked, but my only real complaint about this movie?  It was that in the outtakes they showed a scene with a really great made-up giraffe and it was incredibly stupid of them to have cut it out.

This (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041223/REVIEWS/41201010/1023) is the Ebert review I should have linked to earlier, it is definitely worth reading. I usually think he's kind of a dope - has he ever seen a movie he didn't like? - but he gets this just exactly right.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on December 11, 2006, 09:01:35 pm
This (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041223/REVIEWS/41201010/1023) is the Ebert review I should have linked to earlier, it is definitely worth reading. I usually think he's kind of a dope - has he ever seen a movie he didn't like? - but he gets this just exactly right.

Ebert has gotten kinder the past few years, but he is certainly capable of disliking movies. Exhibit A: his book I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie, (http://www.amazon.com/I-Hated-This-Movie/dp/0740706721/sr=8-1/qid=1165870669/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-2245088-5043866?ie=UTF8&s=books) which is a collection of two-star-or-lower reviews, some of which are savage and hilarious. (It's also an interesting archeological artifact, in that it has several reviews from his very early career, when his style was substantially less refined.)

What I find interesting about Ebert is that he'll admit in his reviews when he enjoyed a movie that doesn't really work -- like, say, Life Aquatic, or Rapa Nui. (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19940930/REVIEWS/409300301/1023) I find this kind of respectably honest, in that, let's be honest here, many of us have favorite films that are not really "good." (I'll freely admit that I like The Fifth Element a lot more than its objective quality would indicate, for example.)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on December 12, 2006, 12:24:56 am
I like The Life Aquatic, without thinking that it is in any way bad.

um, what?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on December 12, 2006, 12:26:51 am
I like The Life Aquatic, without thinking that it is in any way bad.

um, what?
Well, I was just referencing Ebert's own review, where he basically says "I liked this film but I can't say it actually works." I have not seen it, so for all I know it could be the finest film in the history of the cinema.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on December 12, 2006, 04:12:45 am
I sorta liked Life Aquatic the first time I saw it, but found it somewhat lacking after the successes of Rushmore (one of my favourite films of all-time) and The Royal Tenenbaums.  Then I bought the DVD anyway.  And I watched it about eighteen times in a row.  I kinda left it on all the time in the background.  I really like it now.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on December 12, 2006, 06:10:44 am
PROVING MY POINT.


Education.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 12, 2006, 03:38:41 pm
That review of Rapa Nui is very funny. 

Speaking of which: OK, fans of The Life Aquatic - so is it supposed to be funny?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on December 12, 2006, 08:26:46 pm
I find it very funny, personally. But I'm a big fan of really dry humor.

"do you really think you should hit the sauce when you've got a bun in the oven?"

"*points at espresso machine* Is this mine? where did you get this?"
"well... we fuckin' stole it, man."

I don't know. it gets me.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 12, 2006, 08:31:56 pm
I guess I am confused because there seem to be mixed signals.  A guy who plays David Bowie songs in Portuguese on acoustic guitar is something you expect in a movie that is trying to be funny.  But a plot where a guy finds a long-lost son who then falls in love with an unwed pregnant woman and then dies in an accident - not what you expect in a movie that is trying to be funny.  Of course the characters are sufficiently unrealistic that one isn't actually moved by the death or anything, but it still seems like an odd way to end it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on December 12, 2006, 08:32:53 pm
really? I bawl every time.

(not really. but I get all "damn, why did he have to die.")
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Sub_Topical on December 12, 2006, 08:37:07 pm
Craptaters, this is why wombat is watching suggested movies, I suppose. You guyzos are all babbling on and it's all CHING CHONG WING WONG to me. Guess maybe I outta watch some of the suggested list too.

Whoa, cancel that. I cared for a moment there, but it passed.

(why care about bill murray after meatballs)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on December 12, 2006, 09:08:25 pm
Wait, was Meatballs a movie, or is it just like a good food, you know, puts you in a carefree mood.  If meatballs is a movie, I hope it came after Where the Buffalo Roam, a superb HST based bill Murray movie.

Wait, no, I liked A Life Aquatic as well, so either way, uh, i don't know what to say, I have been writing essays and cramming for test for 30 straight hours.  Only 2 hours until the end of the semester.  By 6 oclock I am going to be so high and have at least 5 Beam and Cokes in me.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Sub_Topical on December 12, 2006, 09:09:55 pm
ARE YOU READY FOR THE SUMMER!

Sorry.

I'll stop now.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on December 12, 2006, 09:29:27 pm
ARE YOU READY FOR THE SUMMER!

Sorry.

I'll stop now.

S'ok.  Know why?

Because it just doesn't matter.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on December 12, 2006, 09:50:50 pm
ARE YOU READY FOR THE SUMMER!

Sorry.

I'll stop now.

I've never actually seen a Meatballs movie but I used one as a clue in Taboo this weekend. I love it when random shit like this converges.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on December 12, 2006, 10:05:47 pm
Accepted: If a movie involves a bisexual character refering to himself as "half-gay", it is most likely trying to be funny.

Accepted: If a movie involves Jeff Goldblum, it is funny whether it is trying to be funny or not.

Conclusion: "The Life Aquatic" is primarily a comedy.

My major problem with "The Life Aquatic" was that it was trying to be too many things at once. Almost any given sequence was entertaining in some form or another but... it was as though all the pieces did not come together as a whole.

However, for me, that isn't much of a problem. "Armeggedon" did one thing, did it exactly as it wanted to and was a completely terrible movie. "Titanic" very similar.

Aquatic... wants to be a screwball comedy about how dumb smart people are, sometimes... and it wants to be a whistful meditation on reality and magic and the human condition... and in places, it's almost an action movie, in places completely sincere, in places seemingly entirely ironic.

I think that's why it improves with multiple viewing and on DVD where... you can sort of look at each thread of the film and appreciate it without necessarily being overwhelmed by how those beautiful threads don't always weave together.
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Post by: Sub_Topical on December 12, 2006, 10:20:01 pm
Because it just doesn't matter.

Example #1001a why this board is the best place ever to play straight man. Y'all don't miss the real punch line.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on December 20, 2006, 06:12:59 pm
I think that's why it improves with multiple viewing and on DVD where... you can sort of look at each thread of the film and appreciate it without necessarily being overwhelmed by how those beautiful threads don't always weave together.

I think you're onto something here. Life Aquatic, in many ways, is one of the few films I haven't really thought about as a movie. In any conventional sense it's a bit of a mess, although is paced well, but I just adore it, having it instantly become one of my favourite films.
Armageddon on the other hand, beign Micheal Bay, never really stood a chance - he's just a fuck*ng hack. Everything he does is so textbook, every turn has an action sequence, and you can't care about it  since all the characters are so one dimensional.
Have to say the thing I'm most anticipating at the moment is Pan's Labyrinth, which sounds excellent. The most I've seen of it is some stills and even those look incredible.
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Post by: wombat on December 29, 2006, 03:26:43 am
OK, we just saw Ferris Bueller's Day Off.  I thought it was fine, although something that one would probably have gotten a lot more of a kick out of at a younger age. But the Technical Staff found it 'completely idiotic.'  Or was it 'totally stupid.'  Anyway, you get the idea.

Quizzing him on what kind of movie he actually wants to see, apparently he would prefer either:

A. a movie where things blow up
B. a romantic comedy.

WTF! This man is wasted on me, obviously, because the last thing I want to see is a romantic comedy. But in the interests of domestic harmony I am open to suggestions in both categories.

In other news, we just watched half of Spike Lee's HBO documentary on Hurricane Katrina (it is four hours long so half is more than enough for one night) and I decided that we needed to buy a canoe. He disagrees on the grounds that we do not live in a city which is six feet below sea level. I think there is some flaw in this argument but I haven't been able to counter it successfully yet.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on December 29, 2006, 03:54:30 am
Clearly Tech Staff has no sense of either humour or whimsy.  Ferris Bueller's Day Off is basically like treasure.

Chick flicks? That's what he wants to see?  Rent "Serendipity" - it may be more his speed.

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Post by: CortJstr on December 29, 2006, 03:59:57 am
It's not really either but I think that you should watch Sneakers. I don't know why, I just enjoy that movie.
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Post by: V-Adore on December 29, 2006, 04:02:00 am
I liked "The Lake House," which is not a comedy but is still plenty chick-y.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on December 29, 2006, 05:10:57 am
Two incredibly different movies that you should watch are "Tampopo" and "The Outlaw Josey Wales". 
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Post by: wombat on December 29, 2006, 01:11:04 pm
I have not only seen Tampopo, I own the DVD. Now that's treasure. Although I also admit I will watch any kind of total crap if it's in Japanese or even set in Japan - a taste which I do sometimes regret, e.g. "Lost in Translation".

Really the Tech Staff does have a sense of humor, but I guess it's different. Whimsy may be exactly what it lacks, in fact.
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Post by: theinevitable on December 29, 2006, 01:34:35 pm
...man, we've talked about this.

...

but anyway, I really liked Rushmore. Also: The Royal Tenenbaums was better than I remembered. And also:

42 Across: Royal Tenenbaum = This Achewood Cat, in a way.
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Post by: side_show on December 30, 2006, 03:24:16 pm
A. a movie where things blow up
B. a romantic comedy.

I will get to work on a romantic comedy where the two romantic interests have bombs strapped to them.  The script is in early development, but the intent is to make it (as the critics will attest) "timelessly romantic and explosively funny."  I think I'll probably just re-write There's Something About Mary only the dog will be a bomb, Ben Stiller's c*ck will be a bomb, the jizz in Mary's hair will be liquid explosive, and Matt Dillon's teeth will be made of tiny bombs... the potential is obvious.

Also, if technical staff is all for romantic comedy and things that blow up, does he like that awful show with Ron Livingston in it... Umm...  this one? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756582/)  I've never seen it, but it seems to combine those two things.

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on January 15, 2007, 12:41:44 am
We just saw High Fidelity. Having previously watched Ferris Bueller's Day Off, I am assuming that we have now wrapped up the Films Set In Chicago With Main Characters Who Talk Directly To The Camera film festival. Or are we missing something?
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Post by: jough on January 15, 2007, 01:17:09 am
The Blues Brothers
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Post by: CortJstr on January 15, 2007, 02:08:57 am
The Blues Brothers

I hate Illinois Nazis
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on January 15, 2007, 01:10:43 pm
Also, just about any 1970s Woody Allen movie.  But of course they're not set in Chicago.
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Post by: jay-ell on January 24, 2007, 03:38:30 am
I will get to work on a romantic comedy where the two romantic interests have bombs strapped to them.  The script is in early development, but the intent is to make it (as the critics will attest) "timelessly romantic and explosively funny."  I think I'll probably just re-write There's Something About Mary only the dog will be a bomb, Ben Stiller's c*ck will be a bomb, the jizz in Mary's hair will be liquid explosive, and Matt Dillon's teeth will be made of tiny bombs... the potential is obvious.

Also, if technical staff is all for romantic comedy and things that blow up, does he like that awful show with Ron Livingston in it... Umm...  this one? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756582/)  I've never seen it, but it seems to combine those two things.



Wasn't Mr. and Mrs. Smith (http://Mr. and Mrs. Smith) kind of like that?  I didn't see it yet, but it's in my netflix queue.  Mostly because Pedro and I like movies where things blow up and this one seems to have the added bonus of pretty people kissing. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on February 11, 2007, 03:43:15 pm
I just watched the Big Lebowski.
I really wanted to come in here all talking large about how it weren't all that but I'd just be lying ta y'all. That is indeed a fine movie.
The Dude abides.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on February 11, 2007, 04:14:51 pm
I forgot to report that I saw Withnail and I.  It was not exactly my cup of tea but I can see how it would inspire passion in the right person.

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Post by: Drygioni on February 11, 2007, 05:16:00 pm
Aww Wombat, you did listen to my constant whining at the beginning of the thread. Shame you did not enjoy the movie, but you expressed your dislike so diplomatically that I can hardly gripe.
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Post by: theinevitable on February 11, 2007, 09:08:55 pm
dang. I really have not enjoyed The Big Lebowski any of the times I have seen it. Double-you Tee Eff.
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Post by: KeithHernandez on February 11, 2007, 09:58:48 pm
Last night at about 4am I had my annual Big Lebowski night.  This is similar to Ray's, but without planning, robes, or white russians.  Basically one night a year, after I have been drinking heavy, I get really high and watch Lebowski.  It is like tripping shrooms, at this point I have gotten all that I am going to get from Lebowski (and mushrooms) but I like to keep on track once a year.  It is like a checkup for my soul. 
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Post by: side_show on February 11, 2007, 10:56:23 pm
Just saw Pan's Labyrinth last night.  It was great.  It was why movies should be made.  Fantastic.  Also incredibly violent.  Much, much more so than I expected.
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Post by: theinevitable on February 12, 2007, 12:27:01 am
that movie was awesome. as has been discussed.

I kind of loved Children of Men soooo much. Part of it may have been the company, though. "Fuck it, let's go to a movie!" on a random weekday, and we just all went and took the metro to a mall, and watched it. Me and a bunch of guys I kind of know on my floor, all talking about girls and drugs and violent movies...
Basically, I am not used to hanging out with guys, because most of my friends have been girls. always. So when I hang out with guys and have a good time, it is a big deal.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on February 12, 2007, 12:32:15 am
Quote from: KeithHernandez
It is like a checkup for my soul.

I feel the same way about Eraserhead.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on February 12, 2007, 12:36:35 am
Oh, I have never seen Eraserhead. Should I?
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Post by: littlefallsmets on February 12, 2007, 12:59:16 am
Eraserhead is a slightly disturbing movie but you definitely need to see it at least once.
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Post by: Doc on February 12, 2007, 01:12:29 am
Children of men is basically like treasure, has to have one of the most intense and extended action sequences in any movie I've seen.
I also like Syd. Syd had a rough day there.
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Post by: side_show on February 13, 2007, 04:00:45 am
Oh, I have never seen Eraserhead. Should I?

Yes.  See it.  You will basically be done with seeing avant guard film once you've seen this one.  You will be questioning whether or not you should rent some art house flick with English subtitles, and then you will remind yourself that you've seen Eraserhead, and realize the pressure is off when it comes to seeing art films. It is the penultimate in the absurd.  Watch it with the lights off.

lfm is really under playing it by saying "slightly disturbing" - it is in truth, highly disturbing.  It taps the paranoia of childbearing in such a succinct way.  I saw it and I was like "Yes.  Yes.  This is exactly why I don't want to have a baby.  This is a nightmare I have had before, and Mr. Lynch turned into into a film."
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Post by: littlefallsmets on February 13, 2007, 04:14:50 am
Ms. Show, this is the first time I have ever been accused of underplaying something.

I appreciate that and reward you with prune soda.
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Post by: linnea on February 13, 2007, 07:28:08 am
Yes.  See it.  You will basically be done with seeing avant guard film once you've seen this one.  You will be questioning whether or not you should rent some art house flick with English subtitles, and then you will remind yourself that you've seen Eraserhead, and realize the pressure is off when it comes to seeing art films. It is the penultimate in the absurd.  Watch it with the lights off.

lfm is really under playing it by saying "slightly disturbing" - it is in truth, highly disturbing.  It taps the paranoia of childbearing in such a succinct way.  I saw it and I was like "Yes.  Yes.  This is exactly why I don't want to have a baby.  This is a nightmare I have had before, and Mr. Lynch turned into into a film."

Sweet jesus. That sounds like a film on my not-to-watch list. I almost passed out when we watched a film on emergency childbirth. Then again, that was in my EMT-I days, and I've seen a lot of gore since then... but childbirth remains one of the things that Scares Me. I don't want Mr. Lynch messing around with my brainmeats on that one, thank you very much.
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Post by: smick on February 13, 2007, 02:31:14 pm
I feel the same way about Eraserhead.

Loud industrial noises?

Also along the lines of Eraserhead - INLAND EMPIRE.  I can't recommend it.  I saw it a month or so ago.  Man that sure was three hours.
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Post by: slink on February 13, 2007, 03:02:18 pm
I don't know why anyone would have any excuse for not having seen them (though I hadn't, and I don't know why), but I got round to watching Waiting for Guffman and A Mighty Wind, the Christopher Guest films, and they're highly recommended. I have Best in Show yet to watch, but am thoroughly looking forward to it after the other two. All I have to do is look at Harry Shearer in A Mighty Wind and I'm at least sniggering... What a beard. Both figuratively and literally!
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Post by: side_show on February 13, 2007, 05:06:46 pm
Slink!  Best is Show is... the best out of all three of those.  Though Spinal Tap beats them all hands down.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on February 13, 2007, 06:37:47 pm
Quote from: smick
Loud industrial noises?

From inside. Me. Eraserhead.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on February 13, 2007, 10:56:15 pm
Slink!  Best is Show is... the best out of all three of those.

Damn, maybe I will watch that tonight...
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on February 25, 2007, 12:04:56 am
For those of you who have been following this thread from the beginning: We just watched the first ten minutes of Pulp Fiction and it is correct that there is no violence therein. The Technical Staff says he must have mixed it up with another movie because this one doesn't look familiar.
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Post by: slink on February 25, 2007, 01:31:52 am
Slink!  Best is Show is... the best out of all three of those.  Though Spinal Tap beats them all hands down.

Oh, I did watch it... I think I ended up with A Mighty Wind as my favourite of the three, although Guffman is pretty close. I loved Best in Show, don't get me wrong, but it was more uncomfortable than the others. The bit where Levy and O'Hara's characters are visiting those friends was just cringe-worthy, to me at least, and Posey and whatsisname's couple were rather painful (though strangely lovable and highly amusing, again don't get me wrong) at times. I think though, despite how much of Crufts I end up seeing every damn year, A Mighty Wind (and Guffman - re my admitting the theatrical lifestyle too) just hit closer to home, especially with the amount of folk I've seen or listened to in the last year.
(Though my word, not the Mainstreet Singers that's for sure!)

And I can only imagine that it was afterall Reservoir Dogs that he was confusing it with, which is rather more violent and guttural than Pulp Fiction. Possibly Killing Zoe which is very violent, but there's only a minor link there. Unfortunately now, I just keep thinking of violent films to recommend, like Children of Men or True Romance.
Oh, if you haven't seen Amelie, do. I have A Very Long Engagement, the next one by Jeunet to watch, though I also highly recommend Delicatessen and City of Lost Children if you haven't seen those.
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Post by: side_show on February 25, 2007, 07:44:35 am
Yes Wombat, I mentioned Amelie way back when too, and I still resoundingly recommend it.  I've never seen it referenced anywhere, but I went to see it with a diverse group of about a dozen friends and every single one of the liked it.  Granted it was a mostly female group.  I've tried several times to watch A Very Long Engagement, but I just can't get into it.  I've seen the other two and enjoyed them, but their not high on my list.  Amelie is so different from the others - so light, with such an absence of the gloom and underlying tension of in the rest of Jeunet 's films.  Having been to Paris, I know that the city in the film is something of Jeunet's construction, but it's exactly what I wanted Paris to be.  It's a love fantasy.  It's wonderful. 

Slink - re: Best in Show, I think you hit the nail on the head.  In fact it is the uncomfortableness that I like best about all of those movies, and hence why Best in Show is my favorite.  I love the awkwardness of it all.  Also, I can never see a Weimaraner without thinking of Best in Show, and Parker Posey's braces.
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Post by: Muse_Of_Fire on March 07, 2007, 06:27:32 am
I enjoyed Best in Show. Sometimes Mr. Muse and I will occasionally scream at one another, "Get the Busy Bee!" and just fall into fits of giggling.

Delicatessen...

You MUST see this movie if you want to keep your Sick Fuck card current. It is so dark and so very wrong, but funny and fanciful at the same time. I think of all Jeunet's films it's my favorite. I enjoyed Amelie, but found it a bit trite. City of Lost Children was good, but less memorable. Delicatessen is broken through and through, in the best way possible.

If you want a fun action film, District B13 (not to be confused with Precinct 13) is a pure adrenaline high. The action is so constant and intense that it does sort of exhaust you, causing it to drag and get a little slow in the middle, even though people are cruising around beating on eachother. But there is just enough story to pull you through it, and actually pretty decent dialogue. Because it's so very French. It's your typical "buddy cop" movie, where the one cop who always works alone is forced to work with a street thug from the inside to crack a case, but they avoid most of the lame plot points in that formula, or at least couch them in such spectacular action sequences, or well-done dialogue, that they seem new. And its utter Frenchness is revealed first in the fabulous style sense of the characters, and secondly in the scene where the two main characters stop what they're doing to get into a debate about the nature of law and man (it's so French your DVD player will sprout a spontaneous beret). The action is over the top and yet simple at the same time--crazy adrenaline stuff but with an elegance. It's nice.

And the leading man is steaming smoking hot.

Please, please, please watch it in the original French with English subtitles. Because nothing ruins a film more than having some femmmy-sounding second-rate voice actor communicating in thug-speak over the persona of a 275-lb, tattooed, shaved-headed gang captain.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: linnea on March 08, 2007, 04:11:47 am
Oh gosh...I adored Best in Show. My younger sister highly recommended it, and we used to mock-scream shrilly at each other, "WHERE IS HER BUSY BEEE!!!"
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 08, 2007, 05:55:56 am
tomorrow night I am going to see Rules of the Game! Yayyyy!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 08, 2007, 08:26:08 am
If you wanna see pretty much The Worst Movie With An Actual Budget Ever, "The Guardian" is pretty much full-on what you're looking for. Kevin Coster will pretty much act in anything as long as he gets to be Old-Man Jesus by the end.

Good Lord.

Characters that seem like they were gonna be important just kinda disappear and reappear all the fuck over the place. People know each others' names for reasons we can't fathom. Dozens are the times when if someone said what a normal person would say, the plot would no longer happen.

Slow-motion was officially rendered exhausted by this movie.

And, oh man, does Kevin Costner get to play Old-Man Jesus.

He Old-Man Jesuses the hell out of this movie.

We borrowed it off someone and are considering crushing the DVD into dust and handing that dust and the retail value of the DVD back to the friend we borrowed it from...

I seriously never thought there was gonna be a Movie With An Actual Budget worse than 3000 Miles to Graceland but... holy fuck... here we are.

In a sane and reasonable world, people would be watching "The Guardian" on Saturdays at midnight and dressing up as all their favourite characters... Jesus Costner, Mopey Kutcher, Random Black Guy, Love Interest Clearly Fifteen Years Older Than Ashton, Rear Admiral The Kurgan, Wimpy Guy... and just kicking the piss out of this abysmal piece of shit.

I warn you however, only people truly at one with the ninja art of tolerating a bad movie are going to survive this without major shock trauma. My ninja art is STRONG and even I nearly tapped out when we cut away after the bar fight that landed Mopey and Wimpy in jail and...

We cut to Love Interest Clearly Fifteen Years Older Than Ashton, sitting in a fancy dress, thinking he has stood her up.

My ninja is fuck*ng STRONG and I was begging for mercy from a God I do not always believe in.

But if you think you are ready... if Battlefield Earth and Catwoman and Buffalo '66 roll off your back like some sort of duck-based water... here is your ultimate challenge.

Here is... "The Guardian".
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on March 08, 2007, 08:33:35 am
Is it worse than "Gigli," though? Because "Gigli" certainly had a budget and may be the worst film I've ever seen. (It certainly contains the worst single scene I've ever seen, namely the scene in which a mentally disabled man sings the entirety of "Baby Got Back" in a morgue while Ben Affleck attempts to saw off a corpse's thumb with a plastic knife. Except -- whatever you may be imagining at this point -- the scene itself is worse than that.)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 08, 2007, 09:02:27 am
In swatches and flashes, "Gigli" might be worse.

But... in total... we're talkin' holistically now... "The Guardian" completely beats "Gigli".

By like a million.

"Gigli" has some MIND-NUMBINGLY bad shit in it, there is no question. Some shit where you just wanna rub your eyes, look at a bottle of alcohol, shake your head, throw it in the trash and walk away. There is no doubt about that.

But, also, there are long stretches of "Gigli" where it is just... normal bad. Run-of-the-mill bad movie bad. Or there are parts that are really awful but, like, you could see where if it had been handled some way or another, it could've been potentially less bad. Regrettable but not heroically so.

But "The Guardian" is the fuck*ng Mike Tyson of bad movies.

It just keeps fuck*ng punching. It is a rogue railway of suck. You do not get time to rest, you do not get time to reflect, you do not get breaks, you do not get mercy, the punches do not slow down long enough for you to breathe.

It sucks from the first second of horrific fuck*ng melodramatic voice-over all the way through the seventeen-million false endings and right to the second when you have either turned off the DVD or bitten down on the poison tooth that they totally gave you to kill Baron Harkonen that one time.

To watch "The Guardian" is to be Sisyphus.

The endless series of mountains is the movie.

Your forever-rolling burden is two-tons of suck as dense as the heart of the sun.

Holy fuck, seriously. You're watching "The Guardian" and... when you get to the point where you realize they keep TALKING about something called "D.O.R." but have never said what that is... oh, man. You will be BEGGING to see J-Lo making turkey sounds about her pu$$y.

J-Lo making turkey sounds about her pu$$y will be like Christ's tears in the middle of the Sahara fuck*ng Desert compared to Ashton Kutcher looking conflicted and Kevin Costner swimming in slow motion.

I have warned you.
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Post by: CortJstr on March 08, 2007, 02:00:22 pm
Wow. 40's cartoon cliches, Dune, and Sisyphus all in one post.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 08, 2007, 05:53:44 pm
I am in training to be the anti-Dennis-Miler... basically using the powers of obscure reference and slightly-detached rage for good instead of evil.

Pretty much, imagine that I am Luke Skywalker and the ghost of Ben Kenobi is the ghost of Bill Hicks and we are pretty fuck*ng close to what is going on here.

...no, strike that, that is not quite weird enough a reference. Remember, I am still in training.

Pretty much, imagine that I am Christopher Lambert and Sean Connery is the ghost of Bill Hicks and we are pretty close to what is going on here.

...fuck, this is still not good enough. MY NINJA IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH.

Okay. Okay. Deep breath. Remember the mantra.

"Oooh, you're soooo meta... oooh, you're soooo meta... oooh, you're soooo meta..."

Okay.

Pretty much, you know how everyone has a little Elvis in them except for Michael J. Fox, who is the anti-Elvis? That is pretty close to what is going on here.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on March 11, 2007, 08:04:46 am
Slink!  Best is Show is... the best out of all three of those.  Though Spinal Tap beats them all hands down.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 11, 2007, 06:12:13 pm
I kinda liked Buffalo 66. Of course, I really like football and Ben Gazzara. Well, and I want to get with Christina Ricci.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 11, 2007, 08:22:51 pm
It was just... like... so pretentious and dumb at the same time.

So many weird arthouse-y moments, so many overthought camera moves, so many... cliched-beyond-belief "oh, you know, the criminals and low-lives, they're the ones who really have depth" moments... not to mention, so much of the movie being devoted to how handsome and dark the lead actor/director/writer/cinematographer/editor/caterer/driver/plumber is.

"It's an art film, so the old guy is gonna be sexually creepy!"

"It's an art film, so a guy essentially kidnapping a girl is gonna cause them to fall in love!"

"It's an art film, so sex is gonna be made to look like the most disgusting thing on Earth!"

"It's an art film, so she's gonna pole dance in a bowling alley and we're gonna say it was some kind of statement about the ugly beauty found in ugly places but we really just wanna make the girl from the Addams Family do a sexy dance!"

"It's an art film, so we'll stage a horrifically gory and over-shot murder sequence that even Quentin Tarantino would make fun of and then it will all have been a dream or an imaginary sequence!"

Blah. Everything bad about the "indie film" as a vehicle for a shallow pose-monkey to talk about how deep he thinks he is but can only generate cliches out of films he kind of half-saw in Sundance, while he was mostly concentrating on snorting blow and having sex with Eurotrash ladies.

Indie film as the cred-building pet-project gone horribly awry.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on March 11, 2007, 08:45:20 pm
Yep, I have no problem with overthought camera moves, IF THERE'S A fuck*ng PLOT to go with it. If there's substance beneath all that grimy style... And Vince Gallo seesm to be nothing but grime.
And I most certainly have no problem with the idea of getting with Ricci...

A friend and I tried to watch The Prestige the other week and decided after forty minutes that (not only did we want to kill Johansson, yet again... ugh...) Nolan was trying to direct a film about landscape, and thus using lush, slow camera work in carefully laid out, painting-style settings, but that the dialogue and plot pacing was totally mismatched with this. I'm just not sure he's that good. His remake of Insomnia was all very good, but you can't go wrong with that setting, or Pacino, and he didn't do much to adapt the original except make it less dark (the dog for instance...). And Memento was good... First time round! But someone said it was well worth it so we're going to try again.
We ended up watching Switchblade Romance instead, so we certainly weren't exactly in the mood for it at any rate. And she has a thing for circular saw killings I think.

(You could consider the saw killing a recommendation, Wombat?)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 11, 2007, 11:27:35 pm
What do you think about Brown Bunny, LFM?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: linnea on March 11, 2007, 11:59:49 pm
What do you think about Brown Bunny, LFM?

Oh man, I stayed the fuck away from Brown Bunny after I heard that Gallo was involved.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 12, 2007, 12:02:13 am
It wasn't the
blowjob?

Sorry. I've been wanting to do something like that for awhile.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 12, 2007, 12:08:50 am
The idea of The Girl Who Looks Exactly Like a Heroin Junkie giving some dude an actual on-screen blowjob is not what turned me away from that film. It isn't hot because whenever I see that girl all I can do is look for trackmarks but... it's not so unappealing as to be a dealbreaker, either.

No. "The Buffalo 66" guy was involved.

The guy who did the only movie I ever rented for free off a friend at a video store and STILL demanded my money back did that movie and that was more than enough reason to avoid.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 12, 2007, 01:38:53 am
The guy who did the only movie I ever rented for free off a friend at a video store and STILL demanded my money back did that movie and that was more than enough reason to avoid.

That's like perpetual motion! Also, The Guardian is playing this week at the theater here. I have advised everyone I know to give it a miss.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 12, 2007, 04:07:26 am
slink-- The Prestige. Not Enjoyable At All.

I got so mad at my friend's girlfriend. She said "you didn't like it??? Did you understand it, though?"
"yes. yes I understood it."
"I... I think if you'd understood it, you would have liked it."
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 12, 2007, 04:23:37 am
See, I found The Prestige to be watchable. Not a great film by any means and... certainly predictable as hell but... beautiful looking, good performances for the most part.

David Bowie's understated performance as Tesla was sort of worth the price of admission alone.

Deeply flawed and... sort of reaching for meanings beyond the middle-brow means of the creative team, sure, but... I'll take an interesting failure over a really well-done piece of popcorn schlock any day of the week.

I mean, every Michael Bay film is pretty much perfect at being something totally distasteful and repellant. At least The Prestige was TRYING to get at something bigger, in a... sophomore Sociology-major kinda way.

Plus the idea of the mechanics of stage magic is an interesting thing to explore.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Muse_Of_Fire on March 12, 2007, 04:40:26 am
When I watch films, I look at the following in careful details: production design, editing, writing. IMO these three things can make or break a film and when they are all stellar, it can rearrange my molecular structure. I don't even remember the last time I saw a film that succeeded in this trifecta. But if done well, PD, writing, and editing can make a so-so film very good, and if done poorly, can *kill* an otherwise great idea.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 12, 2007, 04:50:13 am
See, this is one of my Problems with wanting to get into film.

As long as the writing acting and score are solid, you can shoot the film through a glass of milk, for all I care. I pretty much want plays that you can distribute in film cans and project on demand.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Muse_Of_Fire on March 12, 2007, 04:57:32 am
Well the writing and the acting have to be good, and in concert with one another. I've seen excellently-written films that were poorly-acted, and it was just a tragedy. But IMO the production design is crucial and the editing has to be on par or it's worthless. You can't shoot through a glass of milk. If you have superb writing and superb acting, it can make the film at worst passable, but without good production design and editing, you have little more than a glorified radio show, which, great; have a radio show. But then why make it into a film?

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 12, 2007, 05:09:09 am
The reason you don't make it into a radio show is the same reason you don't make it into a play... because there's a slightly better chance of someone actually giving you the money to actually make it if and of people actually seeing it, if it's a movie.

I have a lot of complexes about what my guideposts are as the writer I wanna be, as the person I wanna be... and I guess I put the weight of those expectations onto other peoples' work.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on March 12, 2007, 05:28:20 am
I always have a problem with films that are obviously Of Quality in some regards that I still don't find myself liking. For the most recent example: The Fountain was a movie with lovely cinematography and some stunning special effects. It was a beautiful visual experience, and yet as a film it wavered between being stupid and being actively offensive to me. I didn't like it, and to be honest I'm kind of angry at it, because where does it get off being that pretty and still that stupid?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 12, 2007, 05:30:18 am
Quote from: V-Adore
and to be honest I'm kind of angry at it, because where does it get off being that pretty and still that stupid?

A thought that crossed my mind many many many times a day when I was in college.

But... not about... movies.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Muse_Of_Fire on March 12, 2007, 06:05:43 am
lol. Well done, lfm.

The answer to your question, V, lies in writing. A poorly-written film is *nothing*, and no amount of special effects or good acting or even stellar production design can save it. Conversely, a low-budget, limited-distribution film that is well-written can *soar*, provided the acting is decent enough to pull it off. But even so-so acting is better with good writing, than excellent acting and poor writing, IMO.

Writing is the backbone of film; really of the performing arts that employ spoken word as their primary expressive medium.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on March 12, 2007, 07:26:16 am
Damn, I really enjoyed the prestige and while I saw the twist coming it didn't spoil the movie for me, if anything it made it more tense and enjoyable because it just made these two guys even more fucked up than they were before. I've watched it again since and still enjoy. Compared to a movie with a fairly similar premise, the illusionist, I saw the ending coming miles away but it totally spoilt the movie because there wasn't much there except the twist. Paul Gigmatti and Ed Norton were great of course but the story just pissed me off.
But then I have an ability to enjoy just about every movie, even when I know it is horribly bad and pedestrian. I know when a movie I've seen is something special and is doing something new and wonderful but I was dragged along to 'wild hogs' the other night and I still got a few chuckles there too, so I guess I'm not the best person to go to for a decent critique.

Anyone here got an opinion on smokin' aces? I am very conflicted about that movie.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on March 12, 2007, 10:31:05 am
When I watch films, I look at the following in careful details: production design, editing, writing.

Yea, that's my problem now, if you add direction to the list. I have always been incredibly critical of films. Even films I like I can't help but consider. I may not even try to, but all the critical cocmments, both good and bad just appear in my head, and I tend to end up talking to people about it.
It's not helped by the fact a lot of it is spent talking to this friend who is a director, and who I write screenplays and music for, so we really did manage to make a critical analysis of the first forty minutes of it no problem, and hence my noticing of direction more and more. We also decided that Switchblade Romance was really  quite good, had some nice direction and such, but managed to, in editing, put an essential scene about five minutes before it should have happened. Totally killed the pacing and emotion of the ending!
I'm glad people seem to have fairly similar ideas of The Prestige's quality though, as everyone else has bene far more favourable (and apparently not really thought about it much).

I'm somewhat not surprised by your comments of The Fountain,  V. I want to see it for the effects (as they're all practical - I read an interesting article about how they were done not long ago), but am not expecting to really like it. I saw the trailer for it when I was in Canada last year and it looked a bit... Lost and confused and like it was trying to be way too self important.
I figure it will be like Sin City, stunningly directed and designed, but otherwise terrible (though perhaps with BETTER ACTING... ungh)! And two more of them to come yet. I basically expect 300, despite all the technical achievments, to be another Sin City, although I have at least some hope that Snyder will turn out to be a more competent director at least, and that thusly the Watchmen might turn out being good. We shall see!

As for The Illusionist, from what I could tell, it was indeed the poor man's Prestige (despite what I think of that so far - though I will watch it a proper), but it looked like Ed Norton was totally underplaying it, when it was clearly his chance to chew the scenery for the hell of it! That and I think I hate Paul Giamatti after having seen Shit in the Water (that film in which he played a condo super, who waded out into the pool in the middle of the night to see something spooky, and pulled a small turd out of the pool and went back inside...). I guess it wasn't entirely his fault that that film actually had me laughing out loud at the ending. The emotional music built up, more Narfs and Snuggrunts or whatever the fuck they were all called had things happen, and three of us just burst into uncontrollable laughter, which at least made the movie more worthwhile than it otherwise would have been.
Shayamalan is such a fuck*ng hack, and yet I could see he was trying. Half the shots in it were really quite nicely thought out, the other half were obviously thought out but didn't work at all. And the writing was just off the charts bad!
Anyway, I go on...
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on March 12, 2007, 10:45:02 am
Ed Norton was totally underplaying it, when it was clearly his chance to chew the scenery for the hell of it!
That was one of the things that bugged me, for the main character I don't think he did much to give us a feel of the character. A reviewer I read put forward the idea that he might be trying to play the restrained german character but I'm not so sure. I did like Paul gigawhatsit until the train station scene when I think he broke character with that stupid-ass laughing fit over the 'reveal the trick' montage. That was dumb.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 12, 2007, 02:46:17 pm
Speaking of wombat's ignorance of movies, from what would come the line "you can be my wing man any day"?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 12, 2007, 03:14:46 pm
Speaking of wombat's ignorance of movies, from what would come the line "you can be my wing man any day"?

That would be Top Gun, Bob.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Fooker on March 13, 2007, 02:25:57 pm
"Gigli" has some MIND-NUMBINGLY bad shit in it, there is no question. Some shit where you just wanna rub your eyes, look at a bottle of alcohol, shake your head, throw it in the trash and walk away. There is no doubt about that.

But, also, there are long stretches of "Gigli" where it is just... normal bad. Run-of-the-mill bad movie bad. Or there are parts that are really awful but, like, you could see where if it had been handled some way or another, it could've been potentially less bad. Regrettable but not heroically so.

But "The Guardian" is the fuck*ng Mike Tyson of bad movies.

It just keeps fuck*ng punching. It is a rogue railway of suck. You do not get time to rest, you do not get time to reflect, you do not get breaks, you do not get mercy, the punches do not slow down long enough for you to breathe.

It sucks from the first second of horrific fuck*ng melodramatic voice-over all the way through the seventeen-million false endings and right to the second when you have either turned off the DVD or bitten down on the poison tooth that they totally gave you to kill Baron Harkonen that one time.

To watch "The Guardian" is to be Sisyphus.

The endless series of mountains is the movie.

Your forever-rolling burden is two-tons of suck as dense as the heart of the sun.

Holy fuck, seriously. You're watching "The Guardian" and... when you get to the point where you realize they keep TALKING about something called "D.O.R." but have never said what that is... oh, man. You will be BEGGING to see J-Lo making turkey sounds about her pu$$y.

J-Lo making turkey sounds about her pu$$y will be like Christ's tears in the middle of the Sahara fuck*ng Desert compared to Ashton Kutcher looking conflicted and Kevin Costner swimming in slow motion.

I have warned you.

I read this post, wished I had written it, read it again, etc.

You are a master of metaphor. You are a metaphorbater.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 13, 2007, 07:12:10 pm
Nabu-- hell of canned for that. You know what I mean.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 13, 2007, 09:07:54 pm
Nabu-- hell of canned for that. You know what I mean.
It was worth it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 15, 2007, 12:32:19 am
Sorry, back on topic again -

Watching The Daily Show tonight I discovered that the Technical Staff had never heard of John Waters.  If a couple of people wanted to watch just one John Waters movie, what should it be?

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 15, 2007, 01:12:03 am
I'd say that "Pecker" is probably the most accessable of his later stuff. There's a lot of warped stuff in there, enough to know if you're gonna dig his more gonzo stuff but not enough to turn you off immediately if you're not into it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Limmo on March 15, 2007, 01:40:12 am
Fuck that.  Dive right in with Pink Flamingos.  You can handle the sight of animal droppings, I'm sure.

My personal favorite is Desperate Living.  It's the only early Waters movie without Divine, but it's worth it just for the cross-cutting simultaneous lesbian cunnilingus sequence. 

Hairspray
is nice too.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 15, 2007, 01:58:23 am
I should say that it's not that we exactly expect to like it. But it seems like we should not go through life without seeing at least one of them, especially with me being a big fan of Baltimore and all.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Roger on March 15, 2007, 02:30:35 am
I thought "Pecker" was a good movie. First time I heard of "teabagging".
But I'm not familiar with his more hardcore stuff, either.
I caught "A Dirty Shame" on TV recently, and it seemed to me that Waters may have lost his hand a little…
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 15, 2007, 02:53:08 am
Well, if Baltimoriness is one of your criteria, that's definitely one point for Pecker.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 15, 2007, 03:08:37 am
I thought Cecil B. Demented wasn't terrible, and it was sort of accessible.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: linnea on March 15, 2007, 03:33:00 am
my vote's on Pecker, omba. Good times. Plus it has Christina Ricci.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Sub_Topical on March 15, 2007, 04:24:46 am
Fuck that.  Dive right in with Pink Flamingos.  You can handle the sight of animal droppings, I'm sure.

+1 'cause I want to hear wombat try to discuss it.

Well, any of 'em, really.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 15, 2007, 04:32:39 am
You can handle the sight of animal droppings, I'm sure.

Fuck, she's a professional.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on March 15, 2007, 06:46:51 pm
I am friends with the people who run the bookstore where John Waters receives his fan mail.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 19, 2007, 02:08:52 pm
Speaking of John Waters he's hosting a show on Court TV that starts tonight, if anyone cares.

But back to movies.... while snowed in in New Jersey this weekend with a four year old as mentioned elsewhere, I saw the movie Madagascar. It is about cartoon zoo animals from New York City who, through a series on comic mishaps, end up in the wild.

I thought it was very funny and enjoyable. And before you say of course I would like it - I avoided watching this movie until trapped into it, because I assumed it would be stupid.  I assumed they would ruin the whole idea of cartoon lemurs and the jokes would be lame and I would want to punch someone.

But not at all.  There were many different species of cartoon lemurs and it was appropriate and amusing to anyone who knows lemurs that the king of the lemurs was a total bubblehead.  The usual jokes about New Yorkers in a strange place were amusing out of the mouths of animals. I liked how the animals acted like being in the zoo was their career and the humans were the management - and how when they get to Madgascar they analyze the scenery and decide they must have been transferred to the zoo in San Diego. It was very amusing to someone in the business.

And anyway, my point, and I think I have one, is that I realized that while I whine about most movies I watch, a lot of the movies I have enjoyed in recent years have been cartoons: I liked that one about the superhero family, and Shrek was tolerable, and I really liked Monsters Inc which is just the kind of concept that tickles my fancy.

But also here is the other thing:  It is still so hard to make cartoons, even computer generated ones, that these movies are never TOO LONG.  Almost every other movie I see I think, this two hour movie could easily be an hour and a half if anyone had bothered to edit it, without losing any content.  So many of them seem to have ever single scene go on for 10 or 20 or 30 seconds too long, after we have gotten the point, and it adds up.  Whereas with a cartoon, it is so much work to make another ten seconds that they are just hella efficient about making good use of their time and not having things drag on.

So I don't know what I am saying here but I think it is something about techological limitations being a good thing, or limitations in general.  All my life I have written things and then been forced to edit them shorter and while it is torture, in the vast majority of cases you can do what you need in less space if you put your mind to it and it forces you to make the most out of every word.  I wish that someone would do this to moviemakers.  I think that movies would be better, and if they weren't, well, you'd have wasted less time watching them, so where's the downside?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on March 19, 2007, 03:00:51 pm
And anyway, my point, and I think I have one, is that I realized that while I whine about most movies I watch, a lot of the movies I have enjoyed in recent years have been cartoons:

Spirited Away
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on March 19, 2007, 03:03:03 pm
But also here is the other thing:  It is still so hard to make cartoons, even computer generated ones, that these movies are never TOO LONG.

Tell that to Miyazaki after you watch Princess Mononoke! Could have stood to missed out a good half hour of it, and you would still be left with the (not massively but still somewhat) subtle metaphor for environmental decay, along with the touching story that was ruined by the overt environmental message that made it too damn long!
By and large this is true though.
An anime I would highly recommend, though it may be just my taste (I know people who found it to be strange and boring) is Wonderful Days. Some of the most stunning artwork in an anime yet, and some great tech.

Oh, and seconded Cort, Spirited Away (and Kiki's Delivery Service, and Porco Rosso) was stunning. Oh man, Porco Rosso really was something special too though, it set up it's world beautifully!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 19, 2007, 03:03:22 pm
Spirited Away

Oh yeah, that was good too. Although I have tried to watch some more by the same director and despite my high tolerance for anything Japanese, I didn't like the others.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 19, 2007, 04:23:01 pm
hm. I have always had to edit my writing to make it longer. I always think my point is sufficiently conveyed long before it really is. And then, you know, I to make up bullshit to make it long enough.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on March 19, 2007, 04:31:25 pm
hm. I have always had to edit my writing to make it longer. I always think my point is sufficiently conveyed long before it really is. And then, you know, I to make up bullshit to make it long enough.

That would happen to me all the time. I'd turn in 6 pages for a 10 page paper.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 19, 2007, 04:40:01 pm
oh, see, I had bad experiences in high school where teachers took of hell of points just because it was too short. So now I'm afraid to make it more than a page too short. Which, if I were really editing how I should be, would be fine. But right now I'm kind of doing a "read through it to catch typos, print it out 10 minutes before class" type of groove.

re: movies. Have you guys seen 300? I've heard, alternatingly, "I liked it because I am a Classics major, but... it was probably a pretty bad movie" and "it was a really well made movie, but I didn't enjoy it, it was too intense" and... a bunch of other contradictory things.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on March 19, 2007, 05:30:01 pm
oh, see, I had bad experiences in high school where teachers took of hell of points just because it was too short. So now I'm afraid to make it more than a page too short. Which, if I were really editing how I should be, would be fine. But right now I'm kind of doing a "read through it to catch typos, print it out 10 minutes before class" type of groove.

I had really cool teachers in high school. They'd be like "I knocked off 5 points for not meeting the length requirement so you get a 94" and such. My favorite was in AP English teacher handing back my paper for Catch-22. "You didn't read this book. I know you didn't. That's really sad because you would have loved it, it's really your kind of book. If you'd read it you easily would've gotten an A on this paper. But the AP test isn't about reading the books it's about writing good essays about the books. So you get a B."

I ended reading Catch-22 about 3 years later and it was really good.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 19, 2007, 05:51:23 pm
You may be surprised to learn that never in my academic career was I docked for being too brief.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on March 19, 2007, 05:53:38 pm
You may be surprised to learn that never in my academic career was I docked for being too brief.

Why must you turn our message board into a house of lies? Perhaps you need to look at The Big Book of British Smiles
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 19, 2007, 07:15:35 pm
Why must you turn our message board into a house of lies? Perhaps you need to look at The Big Book of British Smiles

Thank you for dealing this much more effectively than I would of. It certainly needed it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 19, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
ok, yeah, to clarify it was more of a thing where this one history teacher took off HELL of points for being only about half a page too short. most of my other teachers were pretty OK about stuff like that.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on March 19, 2007, 10:45:38 pm
I have no story's about high school report writing but to jump back slightly: have you tried 'Howl's Moving Castle' Wombat? A touch darker than spirited away (and I swear by the end the plot makes little sense) but quite funny and very beautiful.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on March 19, 2007, 11:32:55 pm
I have no story's about high school report writing but to jump back slightly: have you tried 'Howl's Moving Castle' Wombat? A touch darker than spirited away (and I swear by the end the plot makes little sense) but quite funny and very beautiful.

To jump back slightly, onto topic damnit...

Have you watched Kiki's Delivery Service? I mean, seriously, if you like the animated Pixary type films you oughta love that, and the dub is actually decent (one of the ones where they got actual actors to do it, and not bad ones at that - hell Phil Hartman as the cat godsdamnit!).
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: V-Adore on March 19, 2007, 11:38:41 pm
"Howl's Moving Castle" is visually beautiful but a little incoherent on the plot side, with an ending line we were quoting melodramatically at each other for weeks thereafter. Out of curiosity, wombat, have you seen "Nausicaa and the Valley of the Wind?" I personally think it might be my favorite of the Miyazakis, being just a little meatier than Totoro without being weighed down under it like Mononoke. On the other hand, if you have some fear of giant bugs I haven't heard about before, Nausicaa is probably not for you.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on March 19, 2007, 11:42:48 pm
On the non-Miyazaki front there's always Grave of the Fireflies. Y'know, if you need a nice crushing depression for some reason.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Teatime on March 19, 2007, 11:50:05 pm
Kiki's delivery service is the cutest full-length movie I've ever seen, and pleasant other-front-wise to boot. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 20, 2007, 12:27:45 am
On the non-Miyazaki front there's always Grave of the Fireflies. Y'know, if you need a nice crushing depression for some reason.

Oh GOD I just saw that and i don't know what I was THINKING when I ordered it.

I have not seen the Howl one or the giant bugs one. Those both sound worth looking into, thanks.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 20, 2007, 12:41:45 am
also, Castle in the Sky is real cute and whimsical and fun.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Lister on March 21, 2007, 07:25:13 am
re: movies. Have you guys seen 300?

I found 300 fairly enjoyable, but I felt that the writing didn't live up to how seriously the movie took itself.  The movie was earnest, man.  The actors were completely in the moment and didn't ever seem embarrassed by yelling loudly at people two feet in front of them.

Technically it was wonderful.  Amazing fight choreography, seamless effects shots (helped by the fact that every shot was basically an effects shot), decent sound, really good makeup and sets that looked otherworldly but completely fit each other.  I did find some of the eviscerations to be more anatomically correct than strictly necessary.

If you know the book it is based on, the movie is essentially a shot-for-shot remake.  This leads to a couple of problems, but nothing major -- just mostly you wonder why the Spartans spend so much of their day posing.  Though I was familiar with it I hadn't read it, so mostly I just spent the movie mentally dividing it into 'levels' and 'boss fights,' which really really fits.

I suppose I should mention that I'm entirely incapable of turning off my meta-thought process during a movie, which both makes them much more entertaining and ruins my ability to enjoy them as they are.  It's why I go to so few of them, because I can't watch Batman without wondering how much damage he's caused to the building trim of Gotham City over the years.

I guess what I'm saying is that it wasn't a bad movie.  The plot is decent, the writing is decent (if hackneyed), and it looks stunning.  You just can't let your mind wander to thoughts like "Xerxes' crew would totally dig on BMEzine."  'cause then you can't stop giggling and imagining their MySpace pages.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 21, 2007, 02:05:09 pm
mostly I just spent the movie mentally dividing it into 'levels' and 'boss fights,' which really really fits.

This is what the world has come to. I am an old, old man.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on March 21, 2007, 11:36:06 pm
Hey, you know what was a really good movie?  Running With Scissors.  I was really moved by it - fantastic.

Also, I found Zodiac a pretty satisfying movie watching experience.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 21, 2007, 11:37:14 pm
re: movies. Have you guys seen 300?
Oh, I'm pretty sure I've seen more than that.
That's pretty much the weakest joke I've ever made.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 21, 2007, 11:39:42 pm
Speaking of movies, we just watched The Manchurian Candidate (the original version.) You could tell that it must have been awfully cutting edge in 1962, but it wasn't bad.  Still, another 2 hour movie that would have been better at 90 minutes.

Anyway, has anyone seen the remake?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: CortJstr on March 21, 2007, 11:55:12 pm
Oh, I'm pretty sure I've seen more than that.
That's pretty much the weakest joke I've ever made.

That's what she said!




Wombat, have you seen The Cooler? Or the original Italian Job. Rififi is good too, if you don't mind like 30 minutes of total silence during your movies. I may have recommended these earlier but I don't feel like, well, me-ing for it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 21, 2007, 11:59:14 pm
The Cooler is a good time - Macy is the Mackinest. Never does a bad piece of work, in my experience.

Of the subj. a bit, have we talked about Glengarry Glen Ross? That's a rol.licking happy-go-luucky time.

"We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?"

"Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired."
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on March 22, 2007, 12:16:15 am
I don't feel like, well, me-ing for it.

Oh, so can'd.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on March 22, 2007, 04:42:54 am
I watched The Departed tonight.

Hell of a movie.  Probably could have used a little cutting, but who the hell am I to second guess Scorsese?

The last 20 minutes or so are hell of intense.  Also, Mark Wahlberg can act. 

About once every 5 years or so, I end up saying "Wow.  Just Wow" at the end of a movie.  That's what I was doing an hour ago.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 22, 2007, 03:18:20 pm
Also, Mark Wahlberg can act. 

He wasn't very convincing as a rapper.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on March 22, 2007, 03:31:43 pm
He wasn't very convincing as a rapper.

Zing!  And a can.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: robot_god on March 22, 2007, 05:19:24 pm
I watched The Departed tonight.

Hell of a movie.  Probably could have used a little cutting, but who the hell am I to second guess Scorsese?

The last 20 minutes or so are hell of intense.  Also, Mark Wahlberg can act. 

About once every 5 years or so, I end up saying "Wow.  Just Wow" at the end of a movie.  That's what I was doing an hour ago.

Word.


It was the first full-priced DVD bought in probably over a year.  Oh, except for House season 2.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 22, 2007, 05:32:49 pm
Word.


It was the first full-priced DVD bought in probably over a year.  Oh, except for House season 2.

Weird coincidence: the first full-priced DVD I purchased in over a year was House Party 2.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on March 22, 2007, 10:50:59 pm
I watched The Departed tonight.


I'm not sure I ended saying wow quite as much, but was happy it didn't end five minutes sooner, or  I was going to be seriously annoyed with it (having for ocne, not seen the original before the remake - I was doing my watching the oscar noms). But I was very impressed, and wondered quite why everyone thought this didn't deserve best oscar but that something else he'd made would moreso. I think out of his catalogue of movies, this would be about the top for me, though I do really like Bringing Out the Dead.
I also reckoned that DiCaprio probably deserved a best actor nomination for this rather than Blood Diamond (though I haven't gotten round to it yet).
And begrudgingly, I'll admit Wahlberg was good in it, though I still think he's a jumped up shitbag, and that his brother's probably better (he was great in Band of Brothers).
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: melack on March 25, 2007, 12:34:34 am
Last night I watched Pulp Fiction. Oddly enough, I had never seen it before  - at least not in its entirety. But I had seen a lot of little bits and pieces of it over the years. So much, in fact, that I had a pretty good grasp of what was about to happen at every turn, even though I'd never watched the full thing. It was kind of a bizarre, deja vu feeling.

It probably also helps that there have been so many Pulp Fiction references made in television, like the episode of the Simpsons where Bart and Milhouse(?) roll into the gun shop and the clerk sticks a shotgun at them.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 25, 2007, 12:44:56 am
Man. I have mixed feelings about Tarantino.

Amazing dialoguist, well-above-competent director... but, man, the subject matter, sometimes.

Some people glorify real-life non-cartoon violence and some people comedify real-life cartoon violence but... the dude is the best at both of these dubious creative choices and even at the same time. Especially at the same time.

I am pretty much the opposite of a person who think it is cool for a character in a movie to be reminiscing about ALF and then put three bullets into three men's heads and then say "Hey Willie!"

I am pretty much the opposite of that.

But I can't deny the guy is a really good filmmaker and parts of his movies that AREN'T of the ALFs 'n' AKs horrificality strain can sometimes be quite brilliant.

Plus the dude owns a FILM PRINT of "Manos, the Hands of Fate". Can you even beat that?

So I am torn.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 25, 2007, 01:58:54 am
Is it just me, or is Pulp Fiction more palatable than his other films? I couldn't stomach Reservoir Dogs at all (mostly the ear scene), but I loved loved loved Pulp Fiction.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on March 25, 2007, 02:09:46 am
Definitely.

I could not even get through Res. Dogs.

"Blah blah blue KILLING IS AWESOME AND FUNNY blue blue blah."
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 25, 2007, 02:11:28 am
Suck it up. Dogs rules. Also, I ref'd this in another thread, but you should watch Killing Zoe. When you are out of high school.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on March 25, 2007, 08:24:53 am
I am all about Reservoir Dogs.

I like pretty much everything Tarantino does.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 25, 2007, 08:51:28 am
no, I mean, it was an awesome movie. But when people are violent I get all freaked out and do embarrassing things. Pulp Fiction was better for me in that I never started gibbering like a little girl and hid my face.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: KeithHernandez on March 25, 2007, 09:05:34 am
I do think Pulp Fiction was better though.  I pretty much like all of them equally, except Jackie Brown.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on March 25, 2007, 10:56:35 am
See I think Tarintino's early movies were good for the dialogue portions as much (if not more) than the action portions, I'd love to see what he could do with a pure dialogue movie, maybe some sort of romantic comedy like When Harry Met Sally or something a bit more artsy like Dinner with Andre.
The kill bill movies were just channeling pure unashamed adreneline but that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 26, 2007, 05:04:25 am
Wombles, try Brothers of the Head. We watched that tonight. Certainly worth watching. Cojoined twins in a proto-punk band in Britain. Slink might have a word to say about it, maybe.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: slink on March 26, 2007, 10:23:25 am
Slink might have a word to say about it, maybe.

Ummmmm. Errrrm. Yeeeeeeeeeeees...
Maybe it's just early but, not sure what you mean...
I haven't seen it...
I did see the reviews when it was coming out and it looked interesting, if very strange...
Were they not effectively English? I thought it was made over here...
Hmmmmm...

Oh wait, I see...
'Conjoined twins? Eeeeew!'
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 29, 2007, 01:25:28 am
I only meant English punk band? Maybe Slink knows about it.

Also American Hardcore, although the outtakes are interminable. If you like American punk, it's well worth watching. The shit with HR is great. Why is he the only frontman from an American punk band who isn't just amazingly annoying? Jesus, after watching this you will want to shank Henry Rollins early and often (if you don't already).
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 29, 2007, 02:11:34 am
reallly? as much as I love Hardcore, that film went on a little too long for me. It seemed like they tried to fit in too much.

Also that film confirmed two things:
-My friend Mike is Ian MacKaye (except... he drinks and loves pot. Personality-wise, though.)
-I love Ian MacKaye
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on March 29, 2007, 02:13:26 am
reallly? as much as I love Hardcore, that film went on a little too long for me. It seemed like they tried to fit in too much.

Also that film confirmed two things:
-My friend Mike is Ian MacKaye (except... he drinks and loves pot. Personality-wise, though.)
-I love Ian MacKaye

Yeah, except for him being a cock.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on March 30, 2007, 12:55:27 pm
Yeah, MacKaye is a self-righteous dick, man.  Good music, though. 

They're SO INDIE!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on March 30, 2007, 04:31:14 pm
oh, well, there is a certain kind of self-righteous dick that makes me want to get all up ons.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on April 01, 2007, 12:30:57 am
We just saw Pink Flamingos.

I think that will be enough of that.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on April 01, 2007, 01:57:36 am
I saw Pink Martini once - worth the price of admission if you love that sweet torchy type of singing.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on April 01, 2007, 03:21:54 am
So far I haven't convinced myself that a fat drag queen eating a turd is something I should see.

I have a Pink Martini CD.  They torch it up with the best of 'em.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on April 01, 2007, 03:25:21 am
So far I haven't convinced myself that a fat drag queen eating a turd is something I should see.

I don't know, Paul.  I've seen your Flickr photos.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on April 01, 2007, 03:35:09 am
I don't know, Paul.  I've seen your Flickr photos.

Point Taken (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/240131442/)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: linnea on April 01, 2007, 06:03:08 am
Is Paul's account NIPSA? Should I be scared to click on that link?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on April 01, 2007, 12:14:03 pm
So far I haven't convinced myself that a fat drag queen eating a turd is something I should see.


Actually we were quite disappointed to discover that this scene is not really part of the movie - it's just tacked on at the end. A truly great artist would have figured out how to work it into the plot.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on April 01, 2007, 12:18:26 pm
A truly great artist would have figured out how to work it into the plot.
Hell I bet the farrelly brother's could work out a reasonable way to work that in there, if they haven't done that in one of their movies already.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on April 02, 2007, 12:24:49 am
So far I haven't convinced myself that a fat drag queen eating a turd is something I should see.

I have a Pink Martini CD.  They torch it up with the best of 'em.

You know, I missed this the first time around, but I have to assume that the album you have is this one. (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gifwxqtsldke) Otherwise, black is white, ignorance is strength, the moon is the color of blood, etc. It is the only thing in this ridiculous world that makes sense.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on April 02, 2007, 12:39:12 am
You know, I missed this the first time around, but I have to assume that the album you have is this one. (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gifwxqtsldke) Otherwise, black is white, ignorance is strength, the moon is the color of blood, etc. It is the only thing in this ridiculous world that makes sense.

No, this one (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE6781EDF4FAC7420D49F3C40908B21A2598E63E38F162F451BDFBA3C5485254ECA6BF2ACB6FDFE6AB566ADFF2EA31607D9C9E95CFEDB765D40&sql=10:jpfoxq8jldfe), but I sure like the title of yours.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on April 02, 2007, 12:46:22 am
No, this one (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE6781EDF4FAC7420D49F3C40908B21A2598E63E38F162F451BDFBA3C5485254ECA6BF2ACB6FDFE6AB566ADFF2EA31607D9C9E95CFEDB765D40&sql=10:jpfoxq8jldfe), but I sure like the title of yours.

That's a beautiful album you have right there, but you basically have to get this other one. It is you.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on May 29, 2007, 02:59:52 am
The thread returns from the dead to report on our viewing of a classic: Soylent Green.

I could have sworn I must have seen bits and pieces of this on TV and such, but none of it was familiar - in fact, I had a mental image of the last scene that was totally not the last scene of this movie.

It was a lot better than I expected. It is a shame that they didn't realize that people in 2022 would not still have 1970s haircuts - made it hard on the suspension of disbelief.  But otherwise, not bad at all.  Would make an excellent double feature with 'An Inconvenient Truth' as long as you were willing to handle, like, the rash of suicides and such.

But here's the amazing story: The Technical Staff did not know the punch line.  Fortunately I didn't accidentally give it away till almost the end - and at that point the movie was cheating anyway, commiting that unforgivable sin in a mystery plot where it is seen that the main character learns a crucial fact but the fact itself is not revealed to the audience which has otherwise been privy to everything that that character knows. 

Anyway, at that point I said something like "Authors who do that kind of thing should be made into soylent green" and then he figured out what was going on. 

He said later that he must have known a long time ago because it vaguely rang a bell. But he didn't know when he was watching most of the movie.  How fortunate. I wonder how few people have had that experience.

Anyone ever read the book it was based on, by the way?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on May 29, 2007, 03:52:38 am
IT'S PEEEEEEEEPPPPUUUUUULLLLL!!!!

Yes.  Harry Harrison rocks.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on May 29, 2007, 07:20:37 am
I was all about the stainless steel rat books back in high school days. One of those ones I am careful not to revisit since I'm fairly sure they won't hold up.

I've deliberately avoided soylent green because I figured knowing the punch would spoil it, do I take it that this is not so womby?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on May 29, 2007, 11:50:12 am
I did not think that knowing the punch line made it pointless. There were definitely some ways in which it was dated but I thought they did a pretty good job pulling off making the world they were in realistic.  I always think that's more important in SF sorts of things than plot, anyway.  And it's still timely really.  We don't seem to worry as much now about population explosion as we did in the early 70s but the global warming theme couldn't be more current, you know?

The book is strangely hard to come by - only a few used copies on Amazon and bn.com for 25 dollars and up. I haven't looked elsewhere but they're usually representative. I'm afraid this means they've all been stolen from the library too....
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on May 29, 2007, 12:44:34 pm
Also it was Edward G. Robinson's last movie.

From IMDB:

When Thorn discovers that he is too late to stop Sol's suicide, he begins to cry. Charlton Heston was really crying - he was the only person on set who knew Edward G. Robinson was dying of cancer. His death scene was the last day he worked in his life; he died just nine days after shooting wrapped.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on May 29, 2007, 01:13:33 pm
I really disliked Soylent Green.  But I watched it a long time ago, knowing the punchline, only because I had a crush on a guy in a band of the same name.  It actually lessened my attraction to him to watch the movie.  I have a distaste for Heston that sprung from seeing Soylent Green actually. 

Also, back in my vegetarian days, I used to eat these  (http://www.zoglos.com/products/vegetarian%20choice/vegetarian%20broccoli%20nuggets/) green broccoli nuggets, and in the back of my mind, I kept telling myself they were made of people.  Being meaty and green, but claiming not to be made of meat and also having soy as an ingredient... at first I was charmed by this, but it grew to be subtly disturbing to me.  In the back of my mind, I'd be muttering "it's made of people.  It's made of people.  It's made of..." etc.

As for movies, I really want to see  Once. (http://www.foxsearchlight.com/once/)  It's a musical, but only in that the main characters (and the actors who played them) are musicians and the music is actually incidental to the plot.  The soundtrack is so good.  Every review on iTunes is a five star - and that's like 50+ reviews.  The film's not playing locally, so I'll just have to wait.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on May 29, 2007, 02:10:36 pm
I've deliberately avoided soylent green because I figured knowing the punch would spoil it

A movie whose climactic scene can be referred to as a "punchline" is enough of a reason to avoid it.

Actually I love those 70's future apocolyptic types of films.  Logan's Run is a personal favorite. 

~Paul
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jaydub on May 29, 2007, 04:31:45 pm
I think it was Make Room! Make Room! that introduced me to the idea of having a TV powered by an exercise bike.  I loved the idea, and I even believe its available now - but I still don't have one.  Nor do I have my flying car yet, damnit.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on May 29, 2007, 04:34:31 pm
I was all about the stainless steel rat books back in high school days. One of those ones I am careful not to revisit since I'm fairly sure they won't hold up.


Gotta love the Stainless Steel Rat!  They hold up fine as long as you accept them for what they are.  Not great literature but a hella fun read written with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on May 30, 2007, 01:58:24 am
Don't miss "Bill the Galactic Hero" if you're going to go in for that stuff. Co-written, but amusing. Also, "Planet of the Damned" and "Planet of No Return" and the Ringowrld books. Also, "Omega Man" is fun.

Wombles, you should watch "Chumscrubber" and "Cache" if you haven't. We bought them at a Hollywood Video sale this weekend for $2.50 apieve, and they are well worth it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on May 30, 2007, 03:21:21 am
Ringworld is Larry Niven.  Also very good and absolutely worth reading (if you like SF). 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on May 30, 2007, 03:30:05 am
Ringworld is Larry Niven.  Also very good and absolutely worth reading (if you like SF). 

Sure, but I said "Ringowrld" now, didn't I? DIDN'T I??
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on May 30, 2007, 03:48:01 am
So... uh... SF books about the mysterious society of mites living off the dead skin flakes of Ringo Star's bed sheets?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jaydub on May 30, 2007, 04:23:00 am
"Chumscrubber" sounds like a movie that you'd need to specify very carefully at the video store, lest you get disgusted looks and/or calls to security.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on May 30, 2007, 05:09:12 am
"Chumscrubber" sounds like a movie that you'd need to specify very carefully at the video store, lest you get disgusted looks and/or calls to security.

I always thought it was the same job as Jizzmopper, but it turns out it is a totally different thing.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on May 30, 2007, 05:55:52 am
Sure, but I said "Ringowrld" now, didn't I? DIDN'T I??

Please do not make fun of my dsylexia.  I take such pains to compensate for it...
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on May 30, 2007, 07:25:15 am
Hmm maybe I should track some down again, I never did get my hands on the whole series.
I should really read something by this niven guy too.
My Scifi education does have some gaping holes in it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on May 30, 2007, 07:03:35 pm
The Mote books aren't bad - and the other one that's like the anti-Mote. (They're with Jerry Pournelle.)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on May 30, 2007, 09:48:55 pm
I'm going to see  this tonight and will report back later. (http://www.airguitarnation.com/new/)  It was the SO's selection.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on May 31, 2007, 03:06:53 am
It was equal parts disturbing and entertaining. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on June 05, 2007, 01:22:24 pm
I am very upset that Air Guitar Nation isn't showing in the DC area, because I am friends with C-Diddy, one of the protagonists.  We were roommates in Albuquerque back in the day.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on June 05, 2007, 01:33:02 pm
Wow, C-Diddy was pretty awesome, and came across as a genuinely nice guy.  Not like the horrible, sad desperation of Bjorn Turock.  I bet C-Diddy was a decent roommate - he was so diplomatic, even to the biggest losers he encountered.  Also, his parents were really cute.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on June 05, 2007, 09:02:34 pm
Yeah, he's a great guy.  And I presume they explained in the movie that he originally entered the contest as a total goof.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on June 06, 2007, 02:34:11 am
I don't recall, but he was clearly just enjoying it in a relaxed, non-serious way.  At one point he points out how silly and bizarre it is, but how cool it will be if he wins, so that he can say he's the best in the world at something, no matter how odd that something is.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on June 06, 2007, 03:45:16 am
Wombat, you should see "The Queen."  I don't know why, but I thought of you while I was watching it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on June 06, 2007, 04:32:15 am
Wombat, you should see "The Queen."  I don't know why, but I thought of you while I was watching it.

I didn't think of you, but it was very good. 

You know who I was impressed with (actually, I can't think of when I haven't been impressed with his work)?  James Cromwell.  The guy can do Prince Philip, he can do pig farmer, he can do corrupt cop.  He can even do Jack Bauer's Dad.  Is there anything he can't do?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on June 06, 2007, 10:34:19 pm
Wombat, you should see "The Queen."  I don't know why, but I thought of you while I was watching it.

Hmm, I find this vaguely unsettling.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on June 06, 2007, 10:51:12 pm
Hmm, I find this vaguely unsettling.

Look on the bright side, it could have been Deliverance.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on June 07, 2007, 04:07:24 am
I don't think I associate Wombie with the Queen - just that I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the film and thought of people who are culturally retarded who probably are surprised by enjoying a great number of things more than I generally am, and then I thought of Wombat.

I don't think the above made my case any less unsettling, though.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on June 07, 2007, 01:30:06 pm
That's okay Jough.  I was once walking home past the best damn Indian restaurant in the city, and I thought "I bet Jough would like that place." It was an odd thing to think, but it only struck me as such a block later.

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on June 07, 2007, 01:55:12 pm
I don't think I associate Wombie with the Queen - just that I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the film and thought of people who are culturally retarded who probably are surprised by enjoying a great number of things more than I generally am, and then I thought of Wombat.

I don't think the above made my case any less unsettling, though.

Not by much...

Still it is always interesting to hear the sorts of strange impressions one has left on people - I was at a sort of high school reunion over the weekend and someone told me that she'd just hired a Latin tutor for her son who reminded her of me - because she is 'smart, witty, told them that the textbook stank, and rides a motorcycle everywhere.'

Let me be clear that I have never set foot on a motorcycle and that the last thing most people would call me is 'culturally retarded.'

Oh, and seriously - I know some of you think I am a technological idiot, but at the zoo, I am a genius. Yesterday my old boss (I still volunteer there) came into the room and said "You're the computer whiz, can you help me?"  And no one laughed.  And I figured out how he could hear the sound on his DVD by plugging the speakers into the headphone jack because apparently the IT guys had set his computer up wrong.

So there.



Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on June 07, 2007, 08:46:00 pm
Wombles, I love you. I truly do.

Of course, I love all of you. But not all in an icky way.





Unless that's what you are looking for.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on June 07, 2007, 08:57:31 pm
Nabu, you will always be special to me... even when you're inviting other ladies to move in with you and go around naked.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: linnea on June 07, 2007, 10:38:37 pm
Jesus, people, there's more than enough Nabu to go around! Don't get greedy, now!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Nabubrush on June 08, 2007, 08:15:58 pm
Somebody nice is right - there is plenty for all.

Wombles, have you seen A Better Tomorrow or any other of the earlier John Woo movies, before he came over here and sort of did the Hollywood thing? It's pretty fun if you like that sort of thing. Kind of chop-socky versions of Tarantino movies.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: linnea on June 08, 2007, 08:25:38 pm
Somebody nice is right - there is plenty for all.

Wombles, have you seen A Better Tomorrow or any other of the earlier John Woo movies, before he came over here and sort of did the Hollywood thing? It's pretty fun if you like that sort of thing. Kind of chop-socky versions of Tarantino movies.

Oh man, I love John Woo movies... The Killer, Better Tomorrow I&II... the Mayan theatre here in Denver used to show double feature martial arts movies at midnight. That was one of my favorites, and I used to go quite a bit.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on June 08, 2007, 09:22:52 pm
Quote
here in Denver

That is probably a kind of satisfying phrase to say right now, yeah?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on June 08, 2007, 09:32:43 pm
I just saw The Queen, and it was surprisingly engrossing, and quite good.  I do recommend it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on June 10, 2007, 02:31:12 am
The wombat household just saw Pan's Labyrinth. I can't remember if this has been discussed here and the thread has gotten too dang long to look back through.

The Technical Staff loved it.  Mrs Staff was not so pleased.  It was a lot more bloody than I expected and there was a lot more sepia-toned fascists and Spanish resistance than there were magical underground characters. Which is too bad because the creatures were really good (and didn't go around constantly shooting people.)  But the biggest flaw to me is that the central character seemed to have nothing to her. It's like the moviemakers thought that all they had to do to make her a sympathetic character was to have her be a little girl with a pretty face in a terrible situation. She didn't seem to have much of a personality and was always being forced to screw up at crucial points in order to move the plot along, which made what personality she did have look like that of a fool if not a total fuck-up.

But hey, I am culturally retarded, so don't listen to me.  But also don't listen to, say, the Village Voice, whose review said "Pan's Labyrinth itself may be too cruel and bloody for children."  MAY be?  Hello? I am am afraid that I am going to have nightmares at my age, what with all the shooting and stabbing and torturing and smashing a guy's face to a pulp with a wine bottle.


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Post by: linnea on June 10, 2007, 02:57:48 am
omba, thanks for the heads up. I hate violent movies. I don't think I'll ever get to a point where they don't bug me.
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Post by: KeithHernandez on June 10, 2007, 03:11:53 am
I don't remember the violence, but I found it boring and cliche, especially the ending.
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Post by: theinevitable on June 10, 2007, 05:14:54 am
I liked it. Until I got in a big argument about it with a guy I know.
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Post by: KeithHernandez on June 10, 2007, 05:27:22 am
Everyone I know who saw it loved it, and that weirds me out a little.  Whatever, I don't argue about movies, especially not in real life.
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Post by: wombat on June 10, 2007, 02:32:16 pm
Wow, it weirds me out that you don't remember the violence. Nothing personal  - it just really worries me to live in a society where it's so normal for, like, a couple dozen people to get shot and otherwise violenced-upon in a movie that it didn't make any impression on your memory.  And really, it IS so normal that why should you remember... but isn't there something wrong with that?

I also thought it was pretty cliched but one of the things there's no point in arguring about is where you draw the line between cliche and being part of a long tradition making reference to profound cultural archetypes blah blah blah.  It's all in the execution and the execution didn't do it for me.  It would certainly be possible to make yet another story about a hero who has to pass three tests and have it be great.  But you'd have to make more of an effort than having one of the tests be 'don't eat the feast in the monster's lair' and having the hero just go ahead and eat some of it without even apparently thinking about it or having a struggle about it. If you need her to screw up for plot purposes, at least justify it. Give her a personality and make the act consistent with it - how about setting up the character as being unable to resist the grapes because there's a war on and she hasn't had fresh fruit in years? Or make it make a little more sense in the situation - how about making a point of the fruit's magical attraction?  Instead of her just grabbing it and saying later 'I thought no one would notice.'  Did somebody sleep though a lecture in screenwriting class here or what?
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Post by: side_show on June 10, 2007, 08:08:48 pm
I liked it, and think it's really well done.  I like things that tap archetypical forms and the collective unconscious though.  I really appreciated the use of the little girl as a much more traditional Everyman figure who is a conduit for the story, and liked that the film was driven by the story rather than by character.  Character driven film has become such a standard these days (The Queen, Ray, Monster, etc), and while I really enjoy watching a good performance, there's not a lot of storytelling craft in films of that sort.  I loved Pan's Labyrinth because of its structure and how it drew from a mix of fables and subconscious fears.  There's something very satisfying about that to me. 

The violence is very extreme.  The SO occasionally has these movie theatre seizure/blackouts when the tension builds too much in a plot (during Kill Bill he passed out and started speaking in tongues) and this one did it to him.  But traditional fables are often extremely violent as well, and while we get a cleaned up Disneyfied version in North America, brutality is actually an important part of storytelling tradition, related to teaching about the dangers of life within the "safe" structure of fiction.  This is probably why the majority of the artists I worked with at the children's theatre enjoyed the film so much.  We're pushed almost constantly to present sanitized, inoffensive content to young people, while we know that childhood is never like the picture we're pressured to present.  Kids are drawn more and more to stories intended for adults because children's entertainment lacks honesty.  I'm not saying Pan's Labyrinth is a children's film, but the film makers are saying something with their violence.  *SPOILER ALERT*  When the stepfather is sewing his mouth shut into the almost cartoonish grin, something is being said to the viewer, it's not done simply for gross-out factor,  the shot is steady and it's left to audience members to look away if they must, and consider why they are being show this moment. *END of SPOILER ALERT*

On the other hand, I can easily understand why people might not enjoy this movie.  It's very far outside the Hollywood tradition of filmmaking, yet it was marketed in a way that presented it as a flight of fancy on-line with Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, etc.  I've certainly talked to a lot of people who were expecting something very different from the film.   Also, while I defend the violence because it was purposeful in the structure, I can't deny that it's extremely brutal, which can be way too much for some people.
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Post by: Doc on June 12, 2007, 02:45:37 am
I'ma throw my weight behind PL as well. It is rather graphically violent but I would argue (though it's been a while since I've seen it) that it is not continuously violent and it is appropriately violent. What I mean is that while the violence is pretty extreme it comes in short bursts rather than throughout the whole movie and since most of the violence comes from the stepfather I think it is appropriate since he is representing a very particular world (with Pan representing the other more mystical but still dangerous world). That said it's not a kids film, I believe it even had an R rating over here and (I'm not trying to be a dick to Wombat here) when you're going into an R movie you should probably trust them that it deserved that rating.

The reason I love PL most is that it is just a pleasure to watch, there's such variety and some really cool and weird scenes that just make it enjoyable to look at regardless of the story. Is that weird to say? So many movies these days just use the camera to show the story, not to provide any stimulation in it's own right if that makes sense. Hero was another movie that made me feel like this.
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Post by: wombat on June 12, 2007, 01:48:30 pm
Well, as for the rating, I went into this movie knowing nothing about it - it was just something the Technical Staff had ordered me to add to the Netflix queue.  So I was kind of surprised when the rating came up on the screen - just from looking at the box it looked like some kind of fantasy, which is not the kind of movie which usually involves people getting shot in the face.

Oh, and now I remember, they kind of fooled us at the beginning - we thought the rating was because of the cussing - we had several conversations about "Did they really say fuck" wherein my Spanish vocabulary was tested, and about whether you could get a lower rating by translating the curses wrong or whether the raters would assume that some of the viewers understood the Spanish.  But then they stopped cussing and started shooting.

Well, you know, you can tell from many of my previous posts that I totally don't get the whole business of violence in movies. There were plenty of other ways to show how evil the stepfather ways - and they did use them to the extent that I thought they were beating a dead hoss at some points.  I was quite sufficiently repulsed by that character before the blood started - at which point I become more distracted by wondering why the moviemakers do this than I'm understanding anything more about the character or situation.  So what does it add?  I have enough opportunities to be nauseated in real life - I don't need a movie for that. I will just never get it.
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Post by: Nabubrush on June 12, 2007, 02:09:09 pm
Wombles, remember when I recommended John Woo? Yeah, you should probably ignore that.
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Post by: wombat on June 12, 2007, 07:01:26 pm
I saw some funny martial arts movies once. That one with soccer in the title? I think Cort recommended it.  But if 'chop-socky versions of Tarantino' means that karate chops are causing fantastical bloody injuries.... yes, better not.
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Post by: Nabubrush on June 12, 2007, 08:04:32 pm
Actually, it's more like "a hail of bullets are causing fantastical bloody injuries".
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Post by: CortJstr on June 12, 2007, 08:19:31 pm
I saw some funny martial arts movies once. That one with soccer in the title? I think Cort recommended it.  But if 'chop-socky versions of Tarantino' means that karate chops are causing fantastical bloody injuries.... yes, better not.

Shaolin Soccer. Awesome, awesome movie. When the bad guys are called Team Evil you know it can't possibly be bad.
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Post by: Nabubrush on June 12, 2007, 09:08:24 pm
Phucking A, I'd join that team.

ALSO: Don't bother with Health Inspector with Larry the Cable Guy.

That maybe cost me brain cells due to suiciding. They didn't want to process the thing anymore.

I think any film with any of those blue-collar comedy tour guys is probably going to fuck you.
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Post by: Doc on June 13, 2007, 02:54:27 am
Oh if you liked Shaolin Soccer go see Kung Fu Hustle, all cartoony violence and much fun had by all, you'll love it.
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Post by: wombat on June 13, 2007, 10:20:41 am
Actually, it's more like "a hail of bullets are causing fantastical bloody injuries".

Wait a minute, what kind of lame martial artists need guns?
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Post by: CortJstr on June 13, 2007, 01:05:20 pm
Wait a minute, what kind of lame martial artists need guns?

The kind who don't fuck around
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Post by: Nabubrush on June 13, 2007, 02:10:31 pm
Wait a minute, what kind of lame martial artists need guns?

You know that part where all the attackers get in a line and attack the hero one by one, and he snaps off some smart spinning back kicks and they go flying? Well, you don't need as much willing suspension of disbelief when the bad guys are getting neat little holes punched in them.
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Post by: theinevitable on June 14, 2007, 02:41:05 am
Kung Fu Hustle--Brilliant.

I went to a showing of it at school in the first couple of weeks. I was not sure what "Sponsored by VSA" meant.
What it meant was that i was the only person there who wasn't Vietnamese. It was... interesting.
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Post by: wombat on June 17, 2007, 12:53:51 am
We saw Amelie. It was not at all what I expected.  It very badly needed to be fifteen minutes shorter, but it was good. Quite a cautionary tale about home-schooling your children although everything worked out all right in the end. The Technical Staff liked it.  He won't quite admit this but he says it was 'fairly diverting.'

One question: The gnome travelling around the world and sending pictures back. Wasn't there some gnome this happened to in real life, and was this borrowed from real life in the movie or vice versa?  There are so many people on the internet that take pictures like this now that I don't know how to do a search to figure it out.
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Post by: side_show on June 17, 2007, 01:03:15 am
It's a fairly common prank.  Here's a bit from  wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_gnome_prank)

I've personally liberated a gnome and so has the SO.  Right now they live in our shed, but my dream is to set them out and allow them to be liberated again, compleating the cycle of life.
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Post by: wombat on June 17, 2007, 01:17:32 am
Wikipedia, of course. Why didn't I think of that? Maybe because I am getting over a migraine. Maybe because I am an old fart from another century. So the first recorded traveling gnome was in the 1980s which was long before this movie. I should have been able to figure this out too if I'd noticed that the movie is so recent.

Anyway, the descriptions of this movie are quite useless. A movie like this should have a big "Weirdness Advisory" sticker so that I know that I would like it, instead of just a description of the plot which makes it sound impossibly cute.
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Post by: smick on June 17, 2007, 04:23:03 am
The only gnomes I've received word from have been here, on TOUAMB.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on July 01, 2007, 01:43:48 am
OK, we just saw Eraserhead. Seriously, WTF.
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Post by: Nabubrush on July 01, 2007, 01:48:12 am
OK, we just saw Eraserhead. Seriously, WTF.

Oh no you di'nt. That is stunning achievement in cinematic history. If you don't get it, it's only because you aren't cool enough.



Did you like the goat-baby?
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Post by: wombat on July 01, 2007, 01:57:21 am
Yeah, the baby was the only good part. I felt so sorry for it when it was sick.
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Post by: Nabubrush on July 01, 2007, 02:31:06 am
Yeah, the baby was the only good part.

Nooooooo!

Henry Spencer: So I just, uh... I just cut them up like regular chickens?
Mr. X: Sure, just cut them up like regular chickens. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twR7brgBXoE)

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Post by: smick on July 01, 2007, 03:41:08 am
On a Lyncher note:

I saw Inland Empire when it was running here.

My comment on the way out was "That sure was... well... that sure was three hours."

I didn't HATE it.   I sure as hell didn't follow it either.  I think the unifying message was "Ohh Seven-Kinky!  Live is never neat.  Life is always bad, and then in the end BEN HARPER."
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Post by: Nabubrush on July 01, 2007, 03:51:20 am
"Ohh Seven-Kinky!  Live is never neat.  Life is always bad, and then in the end BEN HARPER."

Truer words were never spoken, my friend.

Also, folks might like a saucy little horror flick entitled The Hamiltons (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443527/).
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Post by: wombat on July 09, 2007, 02:09:26 am
We just saw The Blues Brothers. I think Jough recommended this because it is in Chicago? Anyway, The Wombat All-Purpose Review will do for this:  It was pretty good but it was too long.

It was very good on the pleasures of urban decay, aside from what was supposed to be entertaining about it.  I'll bet it was more fun to see it back when it came out and they were famous and, well, not dead, and all.  But still, not bad.
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Post by: Nabubrush on July 09, 2007, 02:40:47 am
We just saw The Blues Brothers. I think Jough recommended this because it is in Chicago? Anyway, The Wombat All-Purpose Review will do for this:  It was pretty good but it was too long.

It was very good on the pleasures of urban decay, aside from what was supposed to be entertaining about it.  I'll bet it was more fun to see it back when it came out and they were famous and, well, not dead, and all.  But still, not bad.

I didn't realize there was anyone left in America who had not seen that film.
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Post by: linnea on July 09, 2007, 03:04:20 am
I didn't realize there was anyone left in America who had not seen that film.

Well, there's me, and then there are these Ukrainian triplets that live in Des Moines that also haven't seen it, but I think that's about it.
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Post by: AugustWest on July 09, 2007, 03:18:50 am
It was pretty good but it was too long.


On the nosey!

Have you watched Young Frankenstein yet?
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Post by: littlefallsmets on July 09, 2007, 03:47:59 am
Aw man, part of what I LIKE about Blues Brothers is that it's one of those rare "epic scale" comedies.

You guys probably don't like Mad Mad Mad Mad World, either...

*grumble, grumble*
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Post by: theinevitable on July 09, 2007, 06:42:37 am
I met Jim Belushi.

Not the same one, I know.

Also: I have not seen more than half of that film.
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Post by: Doc on July 09, 2007, 07:18:07 am
Blues brothers was one of those movies that for years I didn't quite know how it began because I'd always catch it when it was halfway through so it was always a pretty good length for me.
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Post by: wombat on July 09, 2007, 12:48:16 pm
Have you watched Young Frankenstein yet?

That's one I have actually seen, as a matter of fact.

Starting Blues Brothers halfway through is probably about right.
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Post by: Nabubrush on July 09, 2007, 01:51:00 pm
Philistines.
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Post by: CortJstr on July 09, 2007, 02:12:15 pm
I hate Illinois nazis.
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Post by: Limmo on July 09, 2007, 04:46:59 pm
Starting Blues Brothers halfway through is probably about right.

What, and miss the sermon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ES_jrX19s)?  What's the matter with you?!?
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Post by: Nabubrush on July 09, 2007, 07:38:55 pm
And the fat penguin, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-WbrrUbAeU) for that matter.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on July 10, 2007, 04:19:19 am
John Lee Hooker.  That shit is awesome.
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Post by: Doc on July 10, 2007, 09:39:29 am
What, and miss the sermon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ES_jrX19s)?  What's the matter with you?!?

I'm certainly not advocating starting it halfway through. I just always used to tune in around Ray's music shop so for me Blues Brothers was always Raw Hide car chase scene and Minnie the Moocher.
This configuration does not shirk in the entertainment department I can assure you.

But I always did wonder where the illinois nazis fit into it and the first half of the movie has Elwood's apartment building which I love so it's much better to watch it right.
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Post by: wombat on April 06, 2008, 01:46:28 am
OK, we just saw Hot Fuzz, by the same writer and director as Shaun of the Dead. It was really good. It was even almost not too long even though it was two hours.

So why didn't any of you tell me about this one???
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on April 06, 2008, 01:56:19 am
Hot fuzz assumes a lot of knowledge of genre movies to appreciate some of the jokes. We didn't want to throw you in the deep end.

While you're watching thier stuff though you might want to check out the TV series 'Spaced' and more recently 'Hyperdrive'.
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Post by: wombat on April 06, 2008, 02:08:40 am
I'm sure there's stuff we missed by not being more familiar with some kinds of movies. There was even stuff that the reviewers missed - almost none of them that I read mentioned that the whole plot is basically that sort of English horror story, like The Wicker Man, about the small town that's uncongenial to outsiders for some deep and sinister reason.  So there must be many levels of movie-buff stuff, but also a lot of it is obvious enough that it doesn't matter.

And the thing is, it's really well done aside from that. I mean, like having the missing swan come back and be crucial at almost the very end - that's a thing of beauty.
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Post by: Doc on April 06, 2008, 02:27:40 am
Really I was joking, it is basically unforgivable that we didn't tell you about hot fuzz.

Though I swear I was the only perosn in the theatre who laughed (embarassingly loudly) at 'Forget it Nicholas, it's Sandford.'
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Post by: theinevitable on April 06, 2008, 07:01:07 am
yeah. yeah.

I try to work in "Forget it, kid, it's (city)" all the time, and it never works very well.

That, and saying "I'm going to marry my daughter and found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen."
Except, that one actually works quite well.
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Post by: littlefallsmets on April 06, 2008, 07:43:51 am
I could probably spend a whole day communicating only in "Chinatown" references.

Oh man, The Venture Brothers pulled a great one when Brock Sampson discovered that his Nick Fury/Hunter Thompson dual-parody mentor had a sex change.

"Don't think of him any differently, Brock, he used to be like your father, now he's just like your mother..."

SMACK!

"He's your father!"

SMACK!

"He's your mother!"

SMACK!

"H...he's your mother and your father!"

I nearly died laughing.
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Post by: jay-ell on April 11, 2008, 03:04:30 pm
I just went through this whole thread and added a bunch of moves to my queue, because I'm culturally retarded.  At least, in the sense of not catching 98% of all movie references.  And my reluctance to watch any movies, ever, is starting to take a toll on Pedro's ability to converse with others.  Basically everything I know about movies comes from having seen the first ten seasons of The Simpsons and having Pedro explain the jokes to me, so more suggestions are welcome. 

We saw Hero the other day, and here is my review.  It had a weak narrative frame which served only to tie together the "action" scenes, which featured various combinations of the same few characters performing highly unlikely physical feats.  In other words, it was porn, but with fighting in place of sex. 

Watch this movie with that concept in mind and it is pretty entertaining.  We watched it in 2 sessions because of children and lack of sleep.  Usually I am the kind of person who hates to stop in the middle of a movie or TV show -- part of the reason I don't like sitting down to a movie in the first place, because it feels like a big investment to me.  But splitting up this movie did not seem to have a detrimental effect on the film's continuity, which is perhaps a testament to its "popcorn" quality. 

Next up: Boys Don't Cry.  This one was my pick, and Pedro gets the next choice after this.  We doin' this. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Doc on April 11, 2008, 03:47:12 pm
In other words, it was porn, but with fighting in place of sex. 

Yeah but didn't you think it was really beautiful porn? Like porn that reminded you what primary colours looked like?
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Post by: jay-ell on April 11, 2008, 04:09:20 pm
It was neat.  But I knitted through most of it without feeling like I was missing much. 
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Post by: CortJstr on April 11, 2008, 04:11:32 pm
Lately when I'm bored at work I've started reading Wikipedia summaries of movies and books that I know I'll never get around to actually seeing/reading myself. So far today: Psycho, The Silence of the Lambs, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (all loosely based on the same guy), and The Maltese Falcon.

Needless to say I don't get the full effect of reading the book. For example I still don't get references to "putting the lotion on its skin" or however it goes.
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Post by: jay-ell on April 11, 2008, 04:40:58 pm
Oh!  I know this one! 

Buffalo Bill kidnaps chubby women and puts them in a deep pit so that he can starve them until their skin is loose and then skin them to make women suits.  He dehumanizes them by referring to them as "it" in all his interactions with them.  He makes them put lotion on their skin while they starve to keep their skin supple (and presumable easier to remove and work with after removal) even as their bodies dehydrate.  These factors combine to form a supremely creepy scene where Bill lowers a bottle of lotion into the pit and commands the woman inside, "It puts lotion on its skin."  She *SPOILER* defies him and manages to distract him enough to somehow get his little dog into the pit with her, which she threatens to kill, throwing Bill into a panic.  This derails his plans just enough to delay her murder and allow her rescue.

This was one of the movies I watched last time I tried this. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on April 11, 2008, 04:52:53 pm
Lately when I'm bored at work I've started reading Wikipedia summaries of movies and books that I know I'll never get around to actually seeing/reading myself. So far today: Psycho, The Silence of the Lambs, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (all loosely based on the same guy), and The Maltese Falcon.

Huh, I've seen all of those and they should be at the top of your must see list*.  Especially Psycho.


*Well maybe not Texas Chainsaw Massacre so much.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Golfhaus on April 11, 2008, 09:26:18 pm
I will never watch any of those, as anything gory/scary/gross/disturbing, I don't want to see. I'm a wuss. My wife is so disappointed in me for this.
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Post by: theinevitable on April 11, 2008, 09:38:50 pm
yeah, gory stuff freaks me out. I love super-intense stuff, though.
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Post by: Choop on April 11, 2008, 10:37:13 pm
I can watch it if it's fake, like in vampire flicks and other stuff. I can't handle it if it's real, like that TLC show that used to be (?) on about surgeries.

Also, people recovering from surgery freak me out - especially facelifts. Dr. 90210? Scariest thing on the air. (partially because that dude is such a dee-bag perv-o)
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Post by: jaydub on April 11, 2008, 11:43:45 pm
Sign me up for the plus size girdle club.  Pretty much anything showing kids in danger/tragedy gets a pass from me.  I had a real visceral reaction to a Law&Order type show where an infant got left in a hot car.  I left the room and played with my daughter for a while.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Golfhaus on April 11, 2008, 11:49:16 pm
I don't like movies where bad things happen to dogs. Mars Attacks! is an example of a movie that I was perfectly okay with until they killed the dog. After that, thanks for playing, seeya.

Mrs. Haus likes Law and Order: *, CSI: *, NCIS, and shows of that ilk. I can't stand 'em. Left to my own devices, to be perfectly honest, my TV viewing would be 90% sports, 10% cartoons-for-adults.
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Post by: side_show on April 12, 2008, 01:10:37 am
Oh, good lord.  See "Psycho."  Come on.  There is no reason not to.  The actual on screen violence is lesser than the sort of stuff you can see on TV any night.  The art is in the creation of tension, and the perfect, perfect editing.

Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on April 12, 2008, 01:46:48 am
Where were you all 23 pages ago in this thread when everyone was making fun of me for not liking blood and guts and violence?
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Post by: jay-ell on April 12, 2008, 01:54:46 am
I don't mind gore, but real-life evil bothers the hell out of me. 

Also, random shit that most people find silly, like frogs and Tim Curry as Pennywise the Clown.  I had nightmares after seeing It, but not after reading the (IMHO much scarier) book. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on April 12, 2008, 03:05:51 am
I don't mind gore, but real-life evil bothers the hell out of me. 

Also, random shit that most people find silly, like frogs and Tim Curry as Pennywise the Clown.  I had nightmares after seeing It, but not after reading the (IMHO much scarier) book. 

1) Do not see my play.  Ever.

2) Tim Curry scares the hell out of me in "It."  Still does.  But he makes me laugh my ass off in this  music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgGrzQVK3g), as well as  this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLNCJdXmX0).  Seriously, in the 70's thru 80's there were places in the world where cocaine was in the air and water, I swear. (edit:  that jerky thumb dance in "Paradise Garage" gets me everytime.  A friend and I used this as a signature dance move back in the day.  Pretty fuck*ng hilarious.)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on April 21, 2008, 02:11:13 pm
The Technical Staff made us watch Sleepless in Seattle, because he has become enamored of Seattle and wishes he could move there.

It turns out that A, there is almost NO Seattle in this movie, and B, seriously, this is one of the worst movies I ever saw. I swear, I am as big a romantic fool as the next person, but what was even romantic about this movie? Yeah, I hope they can build a great relationship based on their love of the same baseball player and the fact that this guy can wax poetic about his dead wife.

People commenting on Netflix say that they cry at the end. I cried too, but it was because I was two hours closer to being DEAD and I could never get back the two hours I'd spent watching that movie.
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Post by: CortJstr on April 21, 2008, 02:28:20 pm
Damn, Wombat is bringing the strong sack in this review.
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Post by: Carlos del Vaca on April 21, 2008, 06:55:29 pm
Sra. del Vaca and I went to a movie last night.  IN A THEATER.  With popcorn and everything.  And no kids.

We saw "21."  She liked it more than I did, in no small part because I read the book and I'm really into that shit, and so I noticed all the inconsistencies and the dumbing-down in the film.  But I had a good time.  Kate Bosworth is nice to look at.
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Post by: side_show on April 22, 2008, 04:09:08 am
If you want to scare your SO out of loving Seattle, and he is apparently not adverse to romantic comedies, have him watch "Singles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ingN5hZzQio)."  There's plenty of Seattle in the movie, and it's nowhere near as annoying as "Sleepless in Seattle," plus it's a good reminder of the filthy Grunge era and it's fairly entertaining, at least.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on April 22, 2008, 04:40:18 am
yay! the filthy grunge era!
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Post by: Arachno-capitalist on April 22, 2008, 04:54:41 am
I saw a documentary on black tar heroin that was filmed partly in Seattle. So what i know about Seattle is that it has black tar heroin  and it rains a bunch. Also, Starbucks.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on April 22, 2008, 01:33:39 pm
If you want to scare your SO out of loving Seattle, and he is apparently not adverse to romantic comedies, have him watch "Singles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ingN5hZzQio)."  There's plenty of Seattle in the movie, and it's nowhere near as annoying as "Sleepless in Seattle," plus it's a good reminder of the filthy Grunge era and it's fairly entertaining, at least.

Thanks, I'll get right on it. He'll hate the music, which is all the better.
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Post by: jay-ell on April 22, 2008, 02:27:41 pm
Oh MAN grunge. 

I am wearing a leftover flannel shirt from my high-school days RIGHT NOW. 

Hehheh.  Grunge.  It's like the fad for being a dirty hippie came back, except without all the righteous indignation. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jaydub on April 22, 2008, 04:12:09 pm
I heart that movie.  Also Bridget Fonda.  And Matt Dillon as a grown-up (sorta).  Demographically, that movie hit me in the sweet spot.  Except I was living in Arcata, California at the time, which was as rainy as Seattle, as hippy-liberal as a Berkely street fair and as conservative as Allentown, PA (all at once), and as remote as Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AlohaDawg on April 23, 2008, 08:29:29 am
The Technical Staff made us watch Sleepless in Seattle, because he has become enamored of Seattle and wishes he could move there.

It turns out that A, there is almost NO Seattle in this movie, and B, seriously, this is one of the worst movies I ever saw. I swear, I am as big a romantic fool as the next person, but what was even romantic about this movie? Yeah, I hope they can build a great relationship based on their love of the same baseball player and the fact that this guy can wax poetic about his dead wife.

People commenting on Netflix say that they cry at the end. I cried too, but it was because I was two hours closer to being DEAD and I could never get back the two hours I'd spent watching that movie.

Isn't that movie just a remake of a classic Cary Grant movie anyhow? Rent the original. You'll probably like it.(Edit: An Affair to Remember: Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr)

I watched an old Tony Curtis/Burt Lancaster movie last week called "The Sweet Smell of Success". I am becoming slowly convinced that sometime in the 70's really good, artistic movies with strong writing and carefully planned shots just flat out ended. But if you want to see tight writing, good music (Elmer Bernstein) and acting, check it out.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Pedro Picasso on April 23, 2008, 01:33:59 pm
Isn't that movie just a remake of a classic Cary Grant movie anyhow? Rent the original. You'll probably like it.(Edit: An Affair to Remember: Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr)

I watched an old Tony Curtis/Burt Lancaster movie last week called "The Sweet Smell of Success". I am becoming slowly convinced that sometime in the 70's really good, artistic movies with strong writing and carefully planned shots just flat out ended. But if you want to see tight writing, good music (Elmer Bernstein) and acting, check it out.

We're hyping old romance movies now?  I'm in!  Who here absolutely loves The Apartment (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053604/) with Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine? 

A man loans his office out to executives for flings, and then messes everything up... WITH LOVE!  Comedy, darkness, appendix scars, repeated offers of coffee.  This movie had everything.
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Post by: Doc on April 23, 2008, 02:03:44 pm
I know it's cliched but I just got done watching Casablanca on the big screen and that's still an awesome movie. Best ending to a love story ever.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jay-ell on April 23, 2008, 02:28:44 pm
We're hyping old romance movies now?  I'm in!  Who here absolutely loves The Apartment (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053604/) with Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine? 

A man loans his office apartment out to executives for flings, and then messes everything up... WITH LOVE!  Comedy, darkness, appendix scars, repeated offers of coffee.  This movie had everything.

Um, if he were loaning out his office, wouldn't the movie be called, The Office? 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on April 24, 2008, 01:57:26 am
Two great old movies to check out:  Marty for which Ernest Borgnine won an Oscar and His Gal Friday in which Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell discover just exactly how fast people can talk yet remain witty.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jay-ell on April 24, 2008, 03:36:36 am
Aaron Sorkin should take a lesson. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Ben-San on April 24, 2008, 04:12:06 am
I watched Rashomon tonight. It's a good movie.
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Post by: littlefallsmets on April 24, 2008, 06:32:51 am
Perspectives? Gotta catch 'em all, Rashomon!
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Post by: AlohaDawg on April 24, 2008, 07:30:38 am
Perspectives? Gotta catch 'em all, Rashomon!

Admittedly funny.

Also favorites in the old movie category: The Desk Set. Hepburn/Tracy, greatest chemistry ever on the big screen.

Another favorite is "Man's Favorite Sport" with Rock Hudson. That one is really funny.
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Post by: Choop on April 24, 2008, 07:59:13 am
My favorite film of the era is The Philadelphia Story - Cary Grant, Jimmy Stewart, Kate Hepburn, and a very colorful supporting cast (yes the film is black & white) in a mixed-up love story at an old mansion outside Philly. Hilarious.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on April 24, 2008, 08:14:53 am
my knowledge of old movies is basically limited to old Italian movies because I took a class on them-- Umberto D and Il Posto are my two big faves.

The Polish movie Ashes and Diamonds was also amazing, if only for the weird late 1950's Polish version of James Dean.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jay-ell on April 24, 2008, 12:47:10 pm
Pedro is horrified and offended by the idea behind this movie, but Mom and I think If A Man Answers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056093/plotsummary) is a hoot. 
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on May 28, 2008, 01:44:23 pm
Brief Encounter is one of my favourite old love stories, and The Apartment was based on one of the minor characters in that film.

EDUCATION
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: dejavroom on June 12, 2008, 06:19:42 pm
We should have a thread only for "old movies" recommendations. I finally got around renting movies on a regular basis, and am watching so much old stuff, it practically changed my tastes for what a movie should be (basically, it should be in B&W and have no soundtrack - and some hiss and crackle in the audio department wouldn't hurt, too). And, since I'm already here: I just finished watching Jean Renoir's "The Great Illusion", and it is really beautiful, touching and funny. Erich von Stroheim is in it, playing a character that is even more delightful to watch than his butler in "Sunset Boulevard".
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on June 12, 2008, 06:44:17 pm
I really like Renoirs "Rules of the Game." And Brief Encounter is great.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on June 16, 2008, 11:34:40 am
Oh, I'm glad to hear someone mention Brief Encounter.  Man, I love that film. Maybe that's because of my penchant for unrealistic romances that never fully materialize.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: pmcd9 on June 16, 2008, 01:18:21 pm
We're hyping old romance movies now?  I'm in!  Who here absolutely loves The Apartment (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053604/) with Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine?

The Apartment is one of my favorite movies.  I highly recommend it.  Jack Lemmon is one of my favorite actors.  In fact, Prisoner of Second Avenue just arrived from Netflix.  Yay!
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Death Ray on June 16, 2008, 11:20:26 pm
The Abyss! You are bound to come across someone screaming "You've never given up on anything in your life! FIGHT!" sooner or later.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on June 17, 2008, 03:28:34 am
The Apartment is one of my favorite movies.  I highly recommend it.  Jack Lemmon is one of my favorite actors.  In fact, Prisoner of Second Avenue just arrived from Netflix.  Yay!

Seconded.  The Apartment is hell of good.  Shirley McLaine can act.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: jough on June 23, 2008, 02:55:48 am
Plus, she was really cute in it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AlohaDawg on August 22, 2008, 09:57:33 pm
So, a good friend of mine turned me on to some old movies while I was still in Hawaii.

"The Sweet Smell of Success" with Tony Curtis and Burt Lancaster. Unbelievably good New York piece about about blind ambition. Highly recommended. Clifford Odets screenplay. The writing is excellent.


"The Lady in the Window" with Edward G Robinson. Fritz Lang directs (watch the camera angles and shots, he works like a photographer and they are superb) and this one is a suspense thriller that was fun to watch.

not old, but awesome:

"Les Miserables" (1995) Written/ Directed by Paul LeLouche with, of course, big nods to Victor Hugo. This is a tremendous film about redemption that takes place during WWII in France. French with English Subtitles. Great music, beautiful film, occasional harsh subject matter. This is one I would like to own.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: dejavroom on October 13, 2009, 12:36:56 pm
Saw "Inglourious Basterds". It's the usual Tarantino: the successful achievement of something very small. Brad Pitt should win the Oscar for Best Standard "I am Staring Directly Into The Sun"TM Squinty Look. Also, he was very funny in this.

Saw "District 9". The social bits were cool, but any attempt at bridging the gap between the action/social commentary bits and the humanity of the characters met risible results (the actress playing the wife seemed almost embarrassed of appearing in this). The "anthropoids on a mission" stretch lost me, although if pressed I might concede that the armored suit battle was "pretty awesome".
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: alreadyinuse on October 16, 2009, 06:24:40 am
Bullworth

The Seventh Seal
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: dejavroom on October 16, 2009, 06:51:43 pm
The Hour of The Wolf, Ingmar Bergman, 1968

Le freaky. Certains aspects of it look quaint today (the tortured artist), but in terms of technical achievement and atmosphere, it's an amazing movie. It's also very interesting from the viewpoint of having a so-called auteur dabbling in horror, playing with the conventions of the genre (it has some psychotic outbursts of humor, too - there's a scene where an imp creeps behind the protagonist, getting real close to his back while an ominous music starts pounding. It's so loud and in your face it's almost unbearable, you know shit will hit the fan, Bergman milks the scene for a long time, and thennn... the music halts, the imp moves away from the protagonist just like that and nothing happens. Cheeky bastard...)

Earlier in the film the artist shows his sketchbook to his wife, where he has drawn a host of abominations that have been plaguing him. We don't get to see the drawings, we only hear his descriptions and see the face of his wife looking at the drawings, slowly realizing that her husband's sanity is going titwards. Very effective - it reminded me of some of G. Morrison's alien descriptions, actually. Later in the film we get to sse some of those characters - and really, they were more effective as mere descriptions. The lady didn't need to remove her face along with the hat, it's what I'm saying.
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Post by: dejavroom on December 29, 2009, 10:52:05 am
Avatar

Banal, boring, bloated. Visually tacky as all hell.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on December 29, 2009, 02:00:55 pm
District 9 is on the way from Netflix, so I am about to catch up to, what, October?

We just finished watching a TV series called The Middleman which amused us very much. It was cancelled after a season and while on the one hand that is sad, on the other, it was probably just enough.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: dejavroom on December 29, 2009, 02:48:24 pm
Caravaggio (1986, Derek Jarman)

Strange little movie. Most of the time too much in love with its own artiness, but I'd say the result is more watchable than not. It will certainly offer a "cleansing of the palate" for those accostumed to more standard fare.

The text is very good (excesses notwithstanding), albeit strictly "literary", declamatory (I'm referring to Caravaggio's voice-over, which forms a good part of the text; the dialogues are properly colloquial).

I really like how Jarman made the palpable scarcity of resources a strength (no exteriors, bare backgrounds, which makes the movie at times feel like a play - it's also a nice nod to Caravaggio's paintings, where human figures are always at the center, surrounded either by darkness or undefined backgrounds).

I also liked how the movie progressively gets more unhinged in respect to chronology (when one of the characters started making sums in his pocket calculator I actually laughed out loud). It only gets better from there.

Photography is spectacular, given its aim: to reproduce the feel of a Caravaggio painting. Flawless execution in that department. Watch out for Tilda Swinton's first appearance in the movies (Sean Bean, of LoTR fame, is also in this, as one of Caravaggio's love interests).

This is not a biopic; it feels more like a meditation or essay, using startling visuals and a loose sequence of events. In the end, I think I like this type of take more than your run of the mill biopic a la "Walk The Line" or "Ray". But it's not the type of movie with iconic sequences which bear repeated viewings. Lovely, lovely compositions, though.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on December 29, 2009, 11:17:36 pm

do you write for a living?
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Post by: Bobby Isosceles on December 30, 2009, 04:40:34 am
do you write for a living?

Watch him talk about Huey Lewis and the News before he kills you.
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Post by: Drygioni on December 30, 2009, 05:13:48 am
Good review, except you mentioned Sean Bean as being 'of LoTR fame' which does the great man a massive disservice I cannot brook.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on December 30, 2009, 05:54:16 am
Good review, except you mentioned Sean Bean as being 'of LoTR fame' which does the great man a massive disservice I cannot brook.

maybe as far as he is concerned, thats what sean bean is famous for?
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Post by: dejavroom on December 30, 2009, 10:54:21 am
greenkoolaid, no, I translate boring shit for a living; also, yes, my bad on the 'LoTR' thing - but wasn't this at least the biggest movie he's been in? I seem to remember Sean bean vaguely from an assortment of action flicks, too, but nothing more vivid comes to mind...
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Post by: Drygioni on December 30, 2009, 01:27:21 pm
Ha sorry I was being flippant, that is indeed probably the only thing he has ever done that's registered on an international scale.

He's a bit of a famous son of Sheffield though and we like to pretend he is a lot better than he really is.

"(Whilst filming Lord of the Rings) he was reluctant to take the helicopters out to remote mountain locations while filming for The Fellowship of the Ring. After a particularly rough ride, he vowed not to fly to a location again. In one instance, he chose to take a ski lift into the mountains and then hike the final few miles, all in full costume." That is pure Yorkshireman right there.

Sorry dejavroom, continue with your excellent motion picture assessments.
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Post by: theinevitable on January 04, 2010, 04:46:00 am
I like The Apartment a lot.
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Post by: bluemoon72 on January 04, 2010, 05:22:31 am
I will be watching "An American Werewolf in Paris" with my love soon.  Is it very scary?  I don't want to read anything about it so as to not spoil the drama/suspense.  I get disturbed by movies that are too horrifying, with "Blair Witch"being about the dividing line between "okay for Jennifer's brain" and "will haunt my waking and sleeping moments for months".  (Specifically, all of BW was fine 'til the final scene, which stills sits unwell with me.)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: greenkoolayd on January 04, 2010, 06:01:20 am
I will be watching "An American Werewolf in Paris" with my love soon.

not scary at all.  cheese-y.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on January 24, 2010, 02:48:39 am
I am finally watching District 9. It is very, very interesting so far, a little more than half way through. I have been waiting for it to disappoint me and I think it might have just started.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: theinevitable on January 24, 2010, 04:18:02 am
I got that movie for christmas, my roommate and I are going to watch it eventually.

Humpday was disappointing. There is a certain category of movies that my roommate loves that I do not like, and this is one of those. He got mad at me for saying I didn't get why these guys felt the need to fuck each other.
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Post by: littlefallsmets on January 24, 2010, 05:18:58 am
On the one hand, D9 is a very good movie.

On the other hand, I have not appreciated the months of nightmares about transforming into an alien creature.
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Post by: Drygioni on January 24, 2010, 05:21:13 am
I am finally watching District 9. It is very, very interesting so far, a little more than half way through. I have been waiting for it to disappoint me and I think it might have just started.

A film of two halves to be sure but I enjoyed both. The switch from faux-documentary social study to man-on-a-mission action film went smoothly for me and perfectly reflects the situation of the character. Normality, everyday life to uncertain chaos etc.

Only thing that I really didn't like was that the main character sounds like a scouser whenever he does a swear.

FOOCKIN CRAYYYCHURS MAN LA
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Post by: theinevitable on January 24, 2010, 05:23:03 am
apparently my good friend's girlfriend has a "scouse" accent. I am excited to hear it.

also, this is the Baader-Meinhopf effect, because I had never heard the word Scouse until yesterday.
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Post by: Drygioni on January 24, 2010, 05:43:00 am
apparently my good friend's girlfriend has a "scouse" accent. I am excited to hear it.

also, this is the Baader-Meinhopf effect, because I had never heard the word Scouse until yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRCp8lId2k8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRCp8lId2k8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDaTTVR2JXY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDaTTVR2JXY&feature=related)

Truly a beautiful accent

It's very good on women in certain circumstances

EDIT: Sheffield accent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWvImeSsaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWvImeSsaM)
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Post by: wombat on January 24, 2010, 02:38:21 pm
A film of two halves to be sure but I enjoyed both. The switch from faux-documentary social study to man-on-a-mission action film went smoothly for me and perfectly reflects the situation of the character. Normality, everyday life to uncertain chaos etc.

The problem for me wasn't just that it went from a movie about an average man in an extraordinary situation, to basically a cheap video game with guns and blood and *****s. It was that the last half hour depended on a completely implausible and idiotic action on the part of the main character, when he turned on the only person who had the means to help him. And there had really been enough shooting and blood and guts and chasing immediately before that to satisfy anyone, so why was that neccessary?

But then the very end was surprisingly satisfying, when that was something that it would have been so easy to screw up. It's a complete mystery to me how they could do everything else so well and yet think they needed the half hour immediately preceding the end to be part of this movie.
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Post by: wombat on January 24, 2010, 02:41:23 pm
On the other hand, I have not appreciated the months of nightmares about transforming into an alien creature.

I was pleased that I had dreams about bad guys but they were just kind of normal bad guys who maybe had normal guns but mostly just threatening attitudes.

I did also have a dream about carrying around the big blue iguana and he kept trying to bite my hair. I don't know if this was related, but I will note that this is the cold-blooded animal I know who has the most actual personality, as well as a lot of scratchy parts and long toenails, so it might be.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on January 24, 2010, 05:54:39 pm
let the right one in
spiral
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Choop on January 24, 2010, 06:17:40 pm
let the right one in is awesome, what's spiral? is it like cube?
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Post by: greenkoolayd on January 24, 2010, 10:20:20 pm
let the right one in is awesome, what's spiral? is it like cube?

its a psychological thriller, but not like 'cube'.  JP from 'grandmas boy' plays a socially maladjusted(im thinking he has aspbergers or maybe even schitzophrenia) dude named mason that works at a phone bank.  a girl(amber tamblyn) starts working there and she reaches out to him.  he goes through varying degrees of psychological unbalance through out the movie, but the end is crazy good and twisty like a mofo.  his boss is zachary levi/chuck.  the boss is an interesting character because hes a really good friend to mason, but a complete douchebag to any woman that he wants/has had the opportunity to drill.
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Post by: Mr Trout on January 29, 2010, 01:11:58 am
I watched Brick the other day which was really good. A modern day film noir set in a high school.

I also saw Primer and it was awesome. It is a movie about a couple of geeks who manage to invent a time travel device in their garage. The script is very dense, and with many different timelines that are constantly changing it can be almost impossible to follow, but it is not dumbed down at all which I appreciated. The look the director was able to achieve in post was amazing given it was shot on 16mm for $7k. It did not feel cheap at all.
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Post by: theinevitable on January 29, 2010, 01:28:15 am
I like brick. a lot of my friends hate it, but I like it. the end.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on January 29, 2010, 03:37:23 am
I also saw Primer and it was awesome. It is a movie about a couple of geeks who manage to invent a time travel device in their garage. The script is very dense, and with many different timelines that are constantly changing it can be almost impossible to follow, but it is not dumbed down at all which I appreciated. The look the director was able to achieve in post was amazing given it was shot on 16mm for $7k. It did not feel cheap at all.

amen, brother.
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Post by: Choop on January 29, 2010, 04:14:18 am
i liked brick - joseph gordon levitt does a lot of good work, i'd recommend the lookout - but didn't care for primer. i feel like primer is the kind of movie that takes like eight watchings to figure out completely, and i'm just not ready to invest that much time into it.

the missus just got 'this is it' on dvd, so i guess that's next on the docket.
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Post by: Mr Trout on January 29, 2010, 07:15:18 am
Rather than watch it eight times I just read the Wiki entry afterwards.
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Post by: dejavroom on February 01, 2010, 01:07:26 pm
Barton Fink

If this movie was a shin, I'd hump it.
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Post by: AugustWest on February 01, 2010, 02:40:50 pm
Barton Fink

If this movie was a shin, I'd hump it.

Yeah.  I'm on board with that. 

Isn't John Goodman terrific in that movie?
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Post by: dejavroom on February 01, 2010, 02:53:18 pm
Oh yeah, absolutely. And the guy playing the movie tycoon - amazing, amazing.
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Post by: Drygioni on February 05, 2010, 01:10:07 pm
The Road.

Mega good.
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Post by: pmcd9 on February 05, 2010, 04:57:53 pm
I watched Constantine last night.  One of the worst movies I've seen in quite a while.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on February 05, 2010, 09:23:51 pm
I watched Constantine last night.  One of the worst movies I've seen in quite a while.

Double plus that. Made me want to cry.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on February 06, 2010, 12:02:10 am
The Road.

Mega good.

thats the one with viggo mortensen(sp?), right?  its in my netflix qway.  your good review makes me a little more jazzed to see it.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on February 06, 2010, 02:27:29 am
thats the one with viggo mortensen(sp?), right?  its in my netflix qway.  your good review makes me a little more jazzed to see it.

In that case I will expand.

The Road is a story that is by equal measures haunting and horrifying, yet Hillcoat's superb direction provides a film that is also gripping, enjoyable and curiously uplifting. Throughout the film I was consistently amazed by the stark beauty the film-makers had provided for the post-apocalyptic landscape; everything was perfectly executed, from sweeping vistas of ash-covered plains to the claustrophobic confines of petrified forests.

The acting is uniformly impressive, Mortensen his phlegmatic best as 'The Man'. Kodi Smit-McPhee puts in a convincing turn as his son and companion, with the chemistry between the two continually heart-warming despite their desperate surroundings. Every character in this film is given great character, oozing humanity whether it be of the most civilised or brutal kinds.

Perhaps the greatest triumph of the film for me was the way it has seemingly stayed faithful to the source material and avoided the pitfalls of some recent dystopian works, namely too much of a focus on WHY the characters find themselves in this situation, much to the detriment of the story. Children of Men, another film I loved, features worldwide sterility, yet rarely concerns itself with WHY this has happened much to the advancement of the story; instead, all that matters is the central characters and their situation, with the world merely a backdrop and indeed obstacle to their efforts. The Road goes one step further, removing all explanation as to why the world is the way it is. All that matters is the coming-of-age story, with the 'Road' the father is leading his son on more than just a practical journey. The unrelenting brutality of their world is tempered with the beauty of their relationship and I'm shocked it wasn't nominated for an Oscar.

Basically I liked it LOADS and you should watch it and say what you thought.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on February 06, 2010, 02:35:55 am
that is a beautiful piece of writing.  you have my respect.  and a can.
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Post by: Drygioni on February 06, 2010, 03:10:54 am
Looking For Eric is a curious specimen. Like many young men, I was initially drawn to the film by the presence of legendary French footballer Eric Cantona in the cast; the quintessential flawed sporting genius, a confident, powerful presence on the pitch and great player who nonetheless was a self-styled philosopher tormented with his own demons. Indeed, for all the beauty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAOUgmRXsc) of his play on the field, termed by the man himself 'gifts' to the Manchester United fans who adore him still, it is instead his 9 month ban for kicking a goading spectator that sticks in the mind of many to this day.

It is perhaps fitting of Cantona, then, that this film is initially enigmatic. Namesake postman and Manchester United fan Eric Bishop is introduced to us driving the wrong side of the road, in the midst of a mental breakdown, and we are unaware as to where his life is going, as is he. In his desperation, it's up to his friends and estranged family to aid him, helped of course by the hallucinatory presence and Francophone philosophisations of his idol Eric Cantona to aid him.

This film was fuck*ng great. Director Ken Loach and actor Steve Evet give Eric Bishop incredible intensity, and every scene hammers home the impression of a defeated man superbly; his subsequent attempt to mend the errors of his past to correct his future fits the character seamlessly and believably. Cantona gives an incredible turn as his mentor and confidant, and displays his usual imperious self; nevertheless, he brings a real compassion and quiet wisdom to the role that is present in all the great cinema mentors. His turn in the film, whilst relatively low-key, is very well implemented and he perfectly provides a human representation of the postman Eric's inner consciousness. Looking for Eric, indeed.

The humour of the film throughout is well done, rarely out-of-place but very British; think Billy Elliot, which seamlessly blended humour with very real and serious issues in a gritty Northern fashion and you're not far off. The slightly farcical (in the best sense of the word) ending has divided some critics but I enjoyed it, feeling that it fitted the tone of the film and the progression of the character. Perhaps not the most subtle of film-making but nonetheless satisfying for it.

At heart, the film is a tribute to the power of solidarity and realising the basic ethical goodness of those around you, conducted in a manner which is beguiling and by turns dark, uplifting and humorous. Much like Cantona himself then, Looking For Eric is a philosophical treatise trapped in a delightfully uncomplicated, skilful and confident body that you probably couldn't fail to love.
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Post by: littlefallsmets on February 06, 2010, 03:15:13 am
Quote from: Drygioni
the presence of legendary French footballer soccer player Eric Cantona

Fix'd.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on February 06, 2010, 03:20:43 am
that is a beautiful piece of writing.  you have my respect.  and a can.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/j0zi3q_th.gif)

Fix'd.

I am so wound up right now.

MODS I REQUEST A CHANGING OF THE WORD 'SOCCER' TO 'FOOTBALL' IN ALL INSTANCES ON THIS BOARD VIA FILTERS. I ALSO REQUEST THE CHANGING OF THE WORDS 'AMERICAN FOOTBALL' TO 'EGGCHASING' VIA FILTERS. IN ALL INSTANCES.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on February 06, 2010, 04:40:18 am
When I have asked this question this is the only answer people have ever given - the explanation of why soccer is a good sport for children.

That doesn't really explain what I am asking. Which is where the hell did it come from? How did someone think of it? Who was watching a bunch of drunken Englishmen beat each other up (Sorry Judy but that is my mental image of the sport) and said "That would be great for eight year olds"?  Is there one person who had this idea who we should hold responsible?

when that pele dude became famous, the futbol people capitalized on it.  its the same thing as every other thing in america.  the white people stole it from brown people.


also, movies:

keane-

"After losing his daughter in a Port Authority bus terminal, distraught New York father William Keane (Damian Lewis) befriends Lynn Bedik (Amy Ryan) and her 7-year-old daughter, Kira (Abigail Breslin) -- but can he really be trusted? Keane uses alcohol and drugs to numb his pain, but Kira helps him break through his haze and open his heart to new possibilities. There's just one catch: Keane's daughter may have never existed at all." <----- thats the netflix breakdown.

at first it made me too uncomfortable to watch it the whole way through. after an hour, i stopped.  then, a few days later i went back and finished it.  i just couldnt get it out of my head. i had to know how it ended.  it creeped me out.  the camera is on this guy almost the whole movie and it puts you in his head. can you imagine being inside the head of someone suffering from schizophrenia?  its hard to watch him have a breakdown every day, then drink and snort coke every night. plus, at the end, youre all like, "i want to know what happens next!"
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Post by: jay-ell on February 06, 2010, 03:53:01 pm
Football/Soccer stuff split to here:

http://touamb.com/index.php/topic,5482.0.html (http://touamb.com/index.php/topic,5482.0.html)
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: dejavroom on February 06, 2010, 05:37:24 pm
MODS I REQUEST A CHANGING OF THE WORD 'SOCCER' TO 'FOOTBALL' IN ALL INSTANCES ON THIS BOARD VIA FILTERS. I ALSO REQUEST THE CHANGING OF THE WORDS 'AMERICAN FOOTBALL' TO 'EGGCHASING' VIA FILTERS. IN ALL INSTANCES.

Pay no mind to LFM, Drygioni, he's LFM that way. A visit to the encyclopedic knowledge might shed a light on how to treat a subject like this. Wikipedia's "Football" entry reads: "Football is the name of several similar team sports, all of which involve (to varying degrees) kicking a ball with the foot in an attempt to score a goal."

There, see? (I totally support placing a filter to change american football to eggchasing, though).
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Post by: greenkoolayd on February 11, 2010, 03:06:24 am
eskalofrio-

made in spain.  the main character is a high-school aged boy with extreme photosensitivity.  he lives alone with his mother and attends night school.  the kids there are dicks and hes a loner.  they move to an old farm-y country town and things start getting bad.  a sheep is found gutted and a kid is found dead, his throat ripped out and blood all or partially consumed, within the first week or two.  the idea for the 'protagonist' is interesting and its a good thriller.  for me, the only downfall is that i dont understand castellano and its kind of tough to read the subtitles and follow the action at the same time.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: miles on February 15, 2010, 06:56:05 am
I saw Broken Embraces, Pedro Almodóvar's most recent, tonight. I loved it, every bit, but also really like Almodóvar. Worth checking out. I won't describe the plot.

From netflix, recently saw 25th Hour and Dead Again. Both have been around for ever but have escaped my notice. Well, I knew about 25th Hour but next to nothing about it. The AV Club listed it as the second best movie of last decade, so I thought it would be worth checking out. Some of the negative criticism directed toward the movie I've read is either that it's an allegory by America-hating Spike Lee, or that it's boring. Filmed in the near immediate aftermath of the events of 9/11, some of the opening shots are of the Tribute in Light. The protagonist deserves his prison sentence, and America deserved 9/11. Admittedly I'm dense, but I didn't get that at all. And it's definitely not boring. Slow, maybe, but captivating. I could see myself watching it again sometime down the road. Anyone else seen it and have any thoughts?

Dead Again is a noir-ish detective story directed by Kenneth Branagh. I'm a sucker for that stuff, so I'm biased. It was one of those netflix suggestions. I liked it quite a bit, but it's probably not worth a repeat viewing.
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Post by: theinevitable on February 15, 2010, 07:06:49 am
man, I think I just don't like Woody Allen at all.

I really want to think he is funny, but he does not make me laugh, treats women badly, and makes the same jokes in every movie. Fuck that noise.

my date did not appreciate my thoughts, and informed me that Woody Allen is one of her favorite directors.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: miles on February 15, 2010, 07:11:46 am
I really like Manhattan, Annie Hall, Crimes and Misdemeanors and Zelig. And I enjoyed Match Point as well. The rest of his work that I've seen I could take or leave. Zelig is the only one that really made me laugh, though.
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Post by: littlefallsmets on February 15, 2010, 07:21:02 am
My vote against Woody Allen too, except for his early strictly-funny stuff.

Everything else, he comes off as a dick begging everyone to tell him he's better than you are because he can name philosophers.

Or that older-than-the-other-grad-assistants-creepy-grad-assistant who tries to fuck freshman girls by impressing them with... how many philosophers he can name.
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Post by: theinevitable on February 15, 2010, 07:23:17 am
this was Sleeper, which I guess is one of the early ones.

There was one scene where he did something that reminded me of Charlie Chaplin, which made me laugh. But the rest, no laughs.
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Post by: Doc on February 15, 2010, 08:00:09 am
Everything else, he comes off as a dick begging everyone to tell him he's better than you are because he can name philosophers.
I've only really seen Annie Hall, but isn't most of the joke that he is educated and so on but still completely socially inept?

I saw 25th hour at a free screening my first week at uni (7 years ago people, wtf?), I think it the perfect movie to start going to uni to: slightly alternative, angry and with sex and drugs.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on February 15, 2010, 08:03:19 am
I'm certain I've mentioned here that "Annie Hall" is the only movie I've fallen asleep during when I was actively trying to watch it, yeah?

It's one of my Mike Stock Facts (TM).
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on February 15, 2010, 01:41:19 pm
man, I think I just don't like Woody Allen at all.

I really want to think he is funny, but he does not make me laugh, treats women badly, and makes the same jokes in every movie. Fuck that noise.

my date did not appreciate my thoughts, and informed me that Woody Allen is one of her favorite directors.

Manhattan is a superb film for many reasons, but I'm not turned on by every bit of his stuff.
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Post by: theinevitable on February 15, 2010, 04:19:54 pm
I really like that opening sequence.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on February 15, 2010, 05:38:35 pm
In The Loop

The Thick Of It was one of the great British sitcoms of the past few years; a delightfully sweary, horrifyingly accurate portrayal of Westminster's collection of dishonest spinners, inept handwashers and wet-behind-the-ears Oxbridge graduates. However, the true genius of the show lay in the excellent script and in Peter Capaldi's Malcolm Tucker, a delightfully foul-mouthed Scotsman whose fine blend of Machiavellian nous and terrifying aggression made him one of my favourite comedy characters, full stop.

It was with some excitement then that I watched In The Loop, a cross-Atlantic political film inspired by the series, with much of the writing staff and actors from the original The Thick Of It involved. Naturally, there was some apprehension. Film adaptations of comedies are notoriously hit-and-miss: can the film keep up the high standards of comedy when the writers are used to episode length material? Will the formula become tired over two hours? Most importantly, will the characters and situations be as engaging as a film demands to make it interesting and watchable?

Happily, In The Loop manages to overcome the challenges above whilst using the medium of the cinema to provide something different. Although not deviating massively from the formula of the TV series, the change of location to partly include Washington is a welcome and crucial move. The fairly topical plot (US politician wants war in Middle East; backstabbing, maneouvering and tears follow) is simple but believable and a whole lot is made of it. In correspondence with this most cynical of stories, the production is decidedly anti-West Wing; all traces of boombasticity and pomp are removed, exposing the political worlds of London and Washington as underhanded dens of iniquity ruled by the swift and uncompromising. Barack Obama, and most politicians for that matter, would not be impressed.

Being a political comedy/drama, it is the script where the film must shine and it does so brilliantly. The inventive swearing is gratuitous but never gratingly so; it is generally refreshing to watch a film where swearing is a comedic device but never to the extent it seems forced. The script also excels in propelling the plot, with the relatively dry subject material never short of engrossing and completely realistic. The real star of the film is Capaldi's Malcolm Tucker, who makes any scene his own and genuinely inspires fear in everyone he meets. This is not to discredit the other characters, with Tom Hollander excellent as the hapless MP inadvertently swept along in events due to an off-hand remark; the return of Chris Addison as his bumbling assistant and James Smith as his Conservative opposite number are very much welcome. James Gandolfini, David Rasche and Mimi Kennedy also are well cast, seamlessly playing their American counterparts and providing familiar stereotypes whilst also producing characters who are genuinely interesting and never bit-part. Watch out for Steve Coogan's belly-laugh inducing cameo as a disgruntled 'member of the public'.

To summarise, there are no major weaknesses to this film. Every line is well written and delivered by a good cast, the plot is spot-on and it's a refreshing antidote to the tiresome spin thrust upon us every day by those in Government. As comedies go, it is smarter than the majority but nonetheless accessible if you just want to laugh at some of the best swearing this side of (removed as I could not think of anything which has as good swearing as this).

I hope you watch and enjoy.
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Post by: miles on February 15, 2010, 05:43:44 pm
This is like 4 movies down on my netflix queue. I may have to bump it up! I missed it on the big screen because a lot of movies here in Salt Lake tend to have short runs. But I've really been looking forward to it. Thanks for the thoughtful post.

The inventive swearing is gratuitous but never gratingly so; it is generally refreshing to watch a film where swearing is a comedic device but never to the extent it seems forced.

I was already sold, but who doesn't love some creative cussing?
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Post by: Drygioni on February 15, 2010, 05:46:52 pm
This is like 4 movies down on my netflix queue. I may have to bump it up! I missed it on the big screen because a lot of movies here in Salt Lake tend to have short runs. But I've really been looking forward to it. Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I was already sold, but who doesn't love some creative cussing?

If you love creative cussing you will spaff in your ##### at this film
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: miles on February 25, 2010, 01:50:47 pm
So In the Loop is great. Best swear: "F, star, star, cunt" F**cunt. That could be a good filter.

The deleted scenes are worth watching, almost as enjoyable as the entire movie.

Fuckity bye!
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Post by: Drygioni on February 25, 2010, 02:00:37 pm
I'm glad you liked it!

Can't be bothered to do a review

But watch 'Where The Wild Things Are'
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Post by: lprkn on February 25, 2010, 05:13:21 pm
Yeah, that movie choked me up a little bit.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on February 25, 2010, 05:51:34 pm
im going to to watch dead snow tonight on insta-netflix when i get home from class.  its going to be stupidfun.
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Post by: Mr Trout on February 25, 2010, 11:37:53 pm
I watched Anvil! The Story of Anvil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157605/) last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. 5 parts Spinal Tap, 1 part The Wrestler, it is a documentary about an old school Canadian metal band who never made it big despite heavily influencing Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax, etc. 30 years later and they are still at it, gearing up to record their 13th album.

The similarities to Spinal Tap are really uncanny. Fortunately the director doesn't use this as an opportunity to mock these guys but instead shows you the humanity of the band members. I would definitely recommend this even if you aren't into metal at all.
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Post by: theinevitable on February 26, 2010, 01:22:41 am
I guess I didn't need to see it to know this, but LFM's understanding of It's a Wonderful Life is not at all the way I understood it at all. It is kind of warped and depressing.
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Post by: lprkn on February 26, 2010, 03:39:45 am
im going to to watch dead snow tonight on insta-netflix when i get home from class.  its going to be stupidfun.

Any movie whose tagline is "Ein, Zwei, Die!" has my vote.
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Post by: Arachno-capitalist on February 26, 2010, 03:46:00 am
Is Primer a movie most of you have seen, or is it not a thing? Because it seriously fucked with my head.
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Post by: Choop on February 26, 2010, 03:56:52 am
i don't understand the primer situation. i've seen it, and i turned it off pissed and disappointed. either it lost me or doesn't actually even make any sense, and i didn't enjoy it enough to watch it again. but i wouldn't say it fucked with my head.
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Post by: CortJstr on February 26, 2010, 04:10:58 am
Is Primer a movie most of you have seen, or is it not a thing? Because it seriously fucked with my head.

I saw it and really enjoyed it but it was about 3 years ago so I'm pretty hazy at this point.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: littlefallsmets on February 26, 2010, 04:26:41 am
Quote from: theinevitable
LFM's understanding of It's a Wonderful Life is not at all the way I understood it at all.

It is okay, Dan. Wisdom this strong takes time. You may get there yet.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: AugustWest on February 26, 2010, 04:43:32 am
It is okay, Dan. Wisdom this strong takes time. You may get there yet.

Unless you're careful.
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Post by: Doc on February 26, 2010, 06:32:24 am
Primer is one of the few movies (in fact basically the only movie) that I watched again immediately after it had finished. I really enjoyed it but puzzles in movies is something I tend to enjoy even if the rest of the movie is sub-par (though I don't think Primer was).
Some movies are difficult to follow because they are badly made, Primer is not one of those movies, the people who made it knew exactly what they were doing and I love them for it.
I accept my views are not universally held though.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on February 26, 2010, 07:51:04 am
Primer is one of the few movies (in fact basically the only movie) that I watched again immediately after it had finished. I really enjoyed it but puzzles in movies is something I tend to enjoy even if the rest of the movie is sub-par (though I don't think Primer was).
Some movies are difficult to follow because they are badly made, Primer is not one of those movies, the people who made it knew exactly what they were doing and I love them for it.
I accept my views are not universally held though.

a great movie.  i appreciate it even more because there is lots of talking and not so much karate or explosions or titties, but it is still entertaining and cool.
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Post by: Drygioni on February 26, 2010, 05:00:22 pm
I watched Anvil! The Story of Anvil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157605/) last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. 5 parts Spinal Tap, 1 part The Wrestler, it is a documentary about an old school Canadian metal band who never made it big despite heavily influencing Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax, etc. 30 years later and they are still at it, gearing up to record their 13th album.

The similarities to Spinal Tap are really uncanny. Fortunately the director doesn't use this as an opportunity to mock these guys but instead shows you the humanity of the band members. I would definitely recommend this even if you aren't into metal at all.

Absolutely fantastic film.

I'm not a metal fan but that doesn't even matter, they were fantastic guys and the film was superbly paced and made with real warmth. The ending was  :o life imitates art

WATCH IT
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Post by: greenkoolayd on April 12, 2010, 04:17:48 am
fantastic mr fox.  its way good.  it seems meant for 8 or 10 year olds, but you will dig it.
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Post by: KeithHernandez on April 12, 2010, 04:27:33 am
I watched Public Enemies yesterday and Hoop Dreams today.  Hell of Chicago.

Public Enemies was awful, Hoop Dreams is soo good.  You probably don't even need to like basketball (I kinda do), as long as you like getting a great picture of a time and a place.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: greenkoolayd on April 12, 2010, 04:46:02 am
Public Enemies was awful

i disagree, but it was other than cool or exceptional.
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Post by: Drygioni on May 10, 2010, 04:44:06 am
There are many times in a man's life when he realises that a one-time, universal yet life-changing occurrence crops up. It could be an epiphany, a moment of great realisation, where the events of the past and the direction of the future finally unmuddy themselves to provide crystal-clear guidance to the desperate or lost. Other times, it can be something as simple as the gut-wrenching moment you find that first grey hair in your sideburns or pubes. In this case, however, I have something far less welcome even than the grey pube; I have found what I believe to be my least favourite movie ever.

Ladies and gentlemen, that movie is Undisputed.

It sounds promising enough. Although the plot is simple, a seeming throwback to the early '90s (something that never bodes well for a film produced in 2002), it is pleasingly familiar, being a boxing-cum-prison drama where badboy world champion boxer George "Iceman" Chambers is sent to prison, whereupon friction with the current undefeated prison boxing champion Monroe Hutchen inevitably ensues. Easy enough, you may think, and all the ingredients are there for your classic underdog drama. World champion Iceman turns out to be an arrogant bully and thug, determined to beat seven shades of shit out of the slighter, mild-mannered (he even makes matchstick sculptures!) Hutchen in order to stamp his authority on the inmates he sees as beneath him; it is up to crowd favourite Hutchen to take him down a peg. The rest of the film only needs to flesh out the characters, get some tasty build-up scenes in, maybe a bit of prison violence, before culminating in a set-piece epic finish which is the true hallmark of a great boxing movie.

Unfortunately for my still-bleeding eyes, Undisputed fails on nearly every level as a film that is either interesting, entertaining or watchable. For starters, the characters possess the unenviable traits of being both instantly recognisable stereotypes and extremely hard to feel any kind of connection with. Iceman is so close to the vanilla 'Boxing Thug' it's tiresome; endlessly aggressive, remorselessly truculent, any layer of subtlety that would make the character a shade more interesting is lost in the constant angry shouting and violence that fills the screen upon his every appearance. The fact he is sent to prison for raping a woman could be the background for an interesting subplot, leaving the audience to judge whether or not he is in fact guilty, but it never progresses beyond him denying the charges in disgustingly macho style. Washington's Hutchen is no better, falling squarely into the category marked 'Badass Bookworm'; yet, far from possessing the full flavour of character such types often receive he is hardly developed at all beyond the aforementioned matchstick sculptures. Any sympathy or rooting-forness that the good guy in a boxing flick needs fails to materialise; the film makers seemed to decide that showing him doing something slightly arty and unexpected in a prison environment would be enough to establish him as an intelligent, float-like-a-butterly... type. Well, obviously they do to the extent that I can recognise it as a viewer, but I DON'T CARE as he remains extremely bland. Possessing neither the everyman-ness of a Rocky or the admirably hardcore good-guy-ness of a Gordon Freeman, his eventual big fight vs. his big rival leaves you caring very little.

The inmates of the prison are uniformly moronic, perpetuating the myths of the 'Code'/hive mind/actually not bad people! that every prison film embraces, and in this case we are shown no reason to either sympathise with their characters (some fairly ridiculous shows of heavy-handedness from the prison wardens are so unbelievable as to be insulting) or feel wonderment at their little behind-doors society. Good prison films (Shawshank Redemption) portray their jailbirds as essentially fallen humans, creating an interesting moral ambiguity within the viewer as they struggle with their simultaneously positive and negative feelings for what are often likeable characters. In Undisputed, they are either faceless, steroid-pumped loudmouths or ratty little wheeler-dealers who you consistently fail to notice as actually being important to the plot despite being in every scene, such is their relentless boringness.

The script is fuck*ng awful, frankly. I cannot remember a single line, but expect the usual diatribe about what it means to be a fighter etc. amongst perpetually stupid 'real prison talk'. I display more verbal gymnastics stabbing furiously at the keyboard after yet another night I fail to bring someone home and content myself with drunken postings on internet forums. The colours, cinematography and general niceness to view of the film all fail to achieve even basic competence, barely extending beyond monochrome prison colours and the directer, whoever he is, is not aware enough to exceed in this medium, as has been done before by many better films.

In short, it's shit shit shit, frankly I was shocked at the pathetic 1 hour 20 running time as it felt like 5 hours at only 20 minutes in. This lengthiness was by no means the result of plenty of content, how the film makers got more than 30 minutes out of their pathetic characters is a wonder, but the sheer mind-numbing crapulence of the viewing experience.

Andy, fuck you for making me watch it, film makers, your film is a cunt and you're a cunt, I hope wild hosss tear apart your film equipment.

Verdict, SHIT

Good day.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on May 10, 2010, 12:47:53 pm
I am so glad that you saw this movie. Is that cruel?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on May 10, 2010, 02:25:37 pm
I am so glad that you saw this movie. Is that cruel?

Depends.

What are your reasons for gladness?
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: wombat on May 10, 2010, 02:57:37 pm
Because I got to read that post. I know, only a couple moment's pleasure in return for your hour and a half of suffering, it's not really fair.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on May 10, 2010, 03:45:51 pm
Because I got to read that post. I know, only a couple moment's pleasure in return for your hour and a half of suffering, it's not really fair.

I loved it really. Everyone loves complaining in needlessly florid tones
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: side_show on May 12, 2010, 06:26:03 pm
I loved it really. Everyone loves complaining in needlessly florid tones

Well good.  Keep seeing shit movies and keep telling us about them.  Canned.
Title: Re: wombat tries to watch movies again
Post by: Drygioni on May 13, 2010, 04:03:58 am
Before we begin, I am aware I have acquired something of a reputation recently for reviewing the rather less palatable members of the cinematic world. While the film I am about to review may well dwell within the realms of 'bad movies', it is a film I nonetheless feel a certain kind of fondness for; a blokey, amiable affection that allows me to enjoy it much like I would enjoy a destruction derby or act of violence on the football pitch. It's not clever, nor necessarily right to enjoy on an intellectual level, but it is loud, fun and makes the average male viewer wonder why he's wasting his life pushing buttons instead of beating the shit out of other males in interesting and satisfying ways.

Taken, then, might be called a guilty pleasure, and not without reason. Starring Liam Neeson in a rather unlikely role that he nonetheless plays very well, it is a straightforward badass-father-gets-revenge tale. When ex-CIA operative Bryan Mills' (pleasingly normal name for a protagonist) daughter gets kidnapped in Paris, it is up to him to cross the Atlantic and find her, all the while using a mix of violence, cunning and dubiously efficient technology to track her down.

The film begins well enough, giving Bryan and his daughter a fairly substantial back-story without getting too dull; part of the film's charm is that, considering the carnage that follows, a very real relationship is created between Bryan and his soon-to-be-nabbed child, making his plain mental rescue plan all the more believable. He's a sympathetic character you root for, a clearly loving man, yet nonetheless a complete badass, established in an early scene when he protects a singer from a crazed fan with what can only be termed extreme prejudice. Neeson is perfect for this role, his kind-hearted face tempered with a well-practiced steely gaze, not far from a slightly less irritatingly severe Jack Bauer. Sure, the actress playing her daughter doesn't quite seem to have the hang of basic human locomotion (watch her run. It's hilarious) and the rest of the cast are nothing special, but it doesn't matter, this is Neeson's movie; did you dislike Goldeneye because Sean Bean was less than convincing in it? Of course not, it was all about Brosnan anyway.

Anyway. Soon enough, Bryan's daughter is kidnapped, the action begins, and you'd better be ready for it, because that's all you'll be seeing for the next hour or so. I have seen a lot of action movies in my time, but none so relentlessly full of genuinely brilliant moments of violence, the kind that makes you laugh and cheer at the sheer badassery involved. Forget pin point accurate gun work or gymnastic scissor kicks, Bryan wins fights through sheer refined brutality. If there's a car door nearby, you can wager a head will be slammed by it. Fire extinguisher? Say goodbye to the bad guy's face. Seriously, the film is a masterpiece in the aestheticisation of violence, and as with all films of this ilk, it is not restricted to close combat, with car chases, gun fights and torture all crucial pieces of the savage jigsaw.

However, Taken differs somewhat from the typical action flick in certain ways. Firstly, although the protagonist has the usual casus belli in his favour somewhat justifying his relentless, bloody pursuit, what is not justified are certain acts of outright cruel revenge exacted upon his enemies. Although Rambo and Arnie always execute in cold blood the REALLY annoying bad guy, Bryan's actions can get uncomfortably homicidal at times. In one particularly hair-raising scene, he SHOOTS A GUY'S WIFE (who is completely oblivious to the developments of the story) without a trace of remorse (bar an actually quite funnily gruff 'please apologise to your wife for me') in order to get said guy to comply with his demands. In another scene, which is quite frankly astonishingly cruel... well, I'll not spoilt it, but let's just say he doesn't display the kind of moral decency your normal hero would. Whilst I would not go so far to say as this is an intelligent social commentary on the righteousness of revenge when family are involved and whether or not it is right to perpetrate certain acts for your own needs, more likely I would say the film is boldly stating the obvious: this guy has lost his daughter, and if you ended up in a similar situation, you'd do the same. Refreshing, perhaps, that a protagonist is portrayed so realistically; men can be furious, and men with a kidnapped daughter and some badass skills are especially dangerous when furious.

Beyond the asskicking, there is your usual tripe about that special bloke all heroes have who can tell them everything about anything whenever they want, sheer inefficiency of supposedly hardened criminal types when it comes to eliminating Bryan, basically all your usual James Bond tropes, but it all goes towards keeping the film ticking over in a suitably fast-paced fashion. Although many films employ the trick of ACTION ACTION ACTION to mask deficiencies in the plot or script, that doesn't really apply here as there is not much plot to deficiencise or script to rubbish; if anything, the script is quite well done in a limited kind of way, with Neeson happily avoiding delivering his lines with the cheesy sneer of a Bond, and any dialogue is much like the fighting: short, brusque, yet pleasingly efficient in achieving it's aims.

As you might have been able to tell, I loved this film. I make no apologies for the fact that violence, when done right, is one of the most entertaining things around. The story is really just an excuse for a succession of well-staged fights (and some quiet moments of badass espionage) and it's a firm favourite among my (unapologetically male) flatmates as well. It really owes more to a Jackie Chan film at their simplest (think Rumble In the Bronx); fighting man fights for personal reasons, with little in the film devoted to the tiresome Machiavellian exploits of a Bond villain, for example. In this sense, it is extremely non-boring, if not entirely satisfying on an intellectual level.

Admittedly, many of you will watch this film and hate it. At it's worst, it is dumb, brutal and unrealistic. However, if you appreciate a well-made action film with a likeable yet realistic protagonist and a good fight scene, you could do a lot worse.

7 thumbs up.
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Post by: Choop on May 13, 2010, 05:47:52 am
i think taken was liam neeson's way of saying "i'm glad they never asked me to be bond. he's kind of a pussy." B+ would watch again on hbo on a rainy saturday
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Post by: Drygioni on May 13, 2010, 03:45:32 pm
Good god I made so many mistakes in that review. I must stop writing these at half 4 in the morning.

Choop that's spot on, Neeson is a god
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Post by: jay-ell on May 13, 2010, 09:47:25 pm
Judy's channeling Dorothy Parker, I see.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on May 13, 2010, 10:42:12 pm
Taken...

saw that at the drive-in last summer.  way good.  the thing that got me was the ex-wife was such a stupid cow.
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Post by: Choop on May 13, 2010, 10:58:22 pm
i don't know if you can call any famke janssen character a cow regardless how stupid she might be.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on May 13, 2010, 11:48:03 pm
i don't know if you can call any famke janssen character a cow regardless how stupid she might be.

thats just my main insult of choice for ladies.
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Post by: lprkn on May 14, 2010, 12:40:04 am
The daughter character actually annoyed me the most. Of all the bands to follow around Europe, she picks U2?! She basically deserved everything that happened to her.
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Post by: Drygioni on May 14, 2010, 03:31:03 am
The daughter character actually annoyed me the most. Of all the bands to follow around Europe, she picks U2?! She basically deserved everything that happened to her.

fuck*ng right.

Worst part of the movie that.
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Post by: Drygioni on May 14, 2010, 03:31:55 am
Judy's channeling Dorothy Parker, I see.

I am unfamiliar with her.

Is that a good thing?
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Post by: Victoria Waterfield on May 14, 2010, 03:54:55 am
I am unfamiliar with her.

Is that a good thing?

Women seldom make passes at men who don't know who Dorothy Parker is.
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Post by: Choop on May 14, 2010, 04:14:03 am
Ms. Waterfield, your brilliance and wit continue to astound.
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Post by: Doc on May 14, 2010, 04:30:33 am
So, this is the fuckin' Algonquin Round Table?
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Post by: littlefallsmets on May 14, 2010, 04:49:02 am
Fuck yeah.

We bring the Gonk on a semi-regular basis.
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Post by: greenkoolayd on May 14, 2010, 05:20:56 am
Women seldom make passes at men who don't know who Dorothy Parker is.

as if i needed another strike against me...
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Post by: Choop on May 14, 2010, 06:54:12 am
lmgtfy
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Post by: Drygioni on May 14, 2010, 01:09:43 pm
Women seldom make passes at men who don't know who Dorothy Parker is.

Yeah, well, up yours.

this explains so so much
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Post by: jay-ell on May 14, 2010, 02:19:36 pm
Meet Mrs. Parker, one of my best friends in the whole world, and my literary inspiration since the seventh grade:

An excellent bio with many fabulous quotes: http://www.peterkurth.com/DOROTHY%20PARKER.htm (http://www.peterkurth.com/DOROTHY%20PARKER.htm)

Most of her poetry on our kind host's servers: http://poetry.poetryx.com/poets/64/ (http://poetry.poetryx.com/poets/64/)

If you ask me, however, her best work was truly her body of book and film reviews. I can't find any reproduced online, but The Constant Reader's review of "The House at Pooh Corner" is scathing, vicious, and an absolute riot.

If I were half as clever as Dot Parker, I'd be six times richer and have half as many friends.
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Post by: miles on May 15, 2010, 03:00:24 pm
The daughter character actually annoyed me the most. Of all the bands to follow around Europe, she picks U2?! She basically deserved everything that happened to her.

So right! And worst acting in the movie?
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Post by: greenkoolayd on May 29, 2010, 03:24:40 pm
i just watched The Road.  The best way to describe it is beautifully terrible.  an unnamed catastrophe has killed off most of the living things.  the ash-choked skies are unforgiving and its always winter.  a father(viggo mortensen) and son(a decently talented kid) navigate abandoned roads, carrying thier few belongings on thier back and in a decrepit shopping cart.  the father is ill and he regularly coughs up blood, yet they both soldier on, heading toward the supposed warmth of the coast.  the father has to teach his son(age 7-10, approx.) about honor, courage, and humanity, but because there are thieves and groups of cannibals to avoid, he often has to disregard the latter.  despite that, the sons natural child-like empathy teaches and reminds his father not to close his heart to others entirely.  they dont go into detail about what the disaster actually was, but it helps draw you into the narrative.


cool production notes:
Pennsylvania, where most of the filming took place, was chosen for its tax breaks and its abundance of locations that looked abandoned or decayed: coalfields, dunes, and run-down parts of Pittsburgh.  Filming was also done at the 1892 amusement resort (Conneaut Lake Park) after one of the park's buildings (the Dreamland Ballroom) was destroyed in a fire in February 2008. The beaches of Presque Isle State Park in Erie, Pennsylvania were also used.  Hillcoat also said of using Pittsburgh as a practical location, "It's a beautiful place in fall with the colors changing, but in winter, it can be very bleak. There are city blocks that are abandoned. The woods can be brutal." Filmmakers also shot scenes in parts of New Orleans that had been ravaged by Hurricane Katrina and on Mount St. Helens in Washington.

The Abandoned Pennsylvania Turnpike was used for much of the production.
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Post by: wombat on May 29, 2010, 03:33:34 pm
The first paragraph describes a movie that does not sound preferable to going to the dentist; the second paragraph is about a fascinating film I want to run right out and see. I guess I should rent the DVD and watch it with the sound off.
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Post by: Drygioni on May 29, 2010, 06:49:21 pm
The first paragraph describes a movie that does not sound preferable to going to the dentist; the second paragraph is about a fascinating film I want to run right out and see. I guess I should rent the DVD and watch it with the sound off.

Here's my (revised) review if it helps change your mind.

thats the one with viggo mortensen(sp?), right?  its in my netflix qway.  your good review makes me a little more jazzed to see it.

In that case I will expand.

The Road is a story that is by equal measures haunting and horrifying, yet Hillcoat's superb direction provides a film that is also gripping, enjoyable and curiously uplifting. Throughout the film I was consistently amazed by the stark beauty the film-makers had provided for the post-apocalyptic landscape; everything was perfectly executed, from sweeping vistas of ash-covered plains to the claustrophobic confines of petrified forests.

The acting is uniformly impressive, Mortensen his phlegmatic best as 'The Man'. Kodi Smit-McPhee puts in a convincing turn as his son and companion, with the chemistry between the two continually heart-warming despite their desperate surroundings. Every character in this film is spot-on, oozing humanity whether it be of the most civilised or brutal kinds.

Indeed, what's particularly cockle-warming about this particular brutal dystopian work is how character driven it is. Much like Children of Men, another favourite of mine in this particular vein of films, there is little given to the way of explanation regarding the state the world finds itself in. All we know is that it is how it is; we are drawn ever closer to the characters as we realise that it doesn't matter what happened, all that matters is the challenges that present themselves to our protagonists. The Road goes one step further that most, removing all explanation as to why the world (or North America anyway) is in its current state. All that matters is the coming-of-age story, as we realise the 'road' the father is leading his son on is more than just a stretch of broken tarmac. The unrelenting horror of the world around them is tempered with the beauty of their relationship and I'm shocked it wasn't nominated for an Oscar.

ADDENDUM FOR WOMBAT: Despite my gushing review, it is NOT a 'pleasant' film. Whilst there is great pleasure to be derived from the closeness of the relationship between the two main characters, they routinely find themselves in situations terrible, traumatic, horrifying, grisly, gruesome, gross, and hopeless. Many of my friends found this EXTREMELY depressing viewing. One scene in particular is extremely shocking. Do not watch it unless these things don't bother you.

Basically I liked it LOADS and you should watch it and say what you thought.
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Post by: wombat on May 29, 2010, 06:58:42 pm
Hmm, this complicates matters, but it tends to make me think I should watch it with the sound off while you read your review aloud.
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Post by: Drygioni on May 29, 2010, 11:39:28 pm
You have been sent a recording of myself reading it out
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Post by: jay-ell on May 30, 2010, 12:27:16 am
THAT, my friends, is quality service.

Cann'd for the extra mile.
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Post by: wombat on May 30, 2010, 01:17:31 am
Added to the top of the Netflix queue, how can I not?
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Post by: pmcd9 on May 30, 2010, 01:23:50 am
Added to the top of the Netflix queue

Me too.
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Post by: dejavroom on May 30, 2010, 03:43:55 pm
I missed this one in the theaters here. Sigh. I really wanted to see it in a theater =P
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Post by: greenkoolayd on May 30, 2010, 10:09:13 pm
tell-tale
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Post by: pmcd9 on June 03, 2010, 07:48:33 am
Just finished viewing The Road.  I won't even try to top GKA and Judy's review.  All I'll say is I agree with every word of them.
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Post by: Drygioni on June 03, 2010, 12:08:36 pm
Just finished viewing The Road.  I won't even try to top GKA and Judy's review.  All I'll say is I agree with every word of them.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's a very Marmite film and I've had some people give me a lot of stick for recommending it.
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Post by: theinevitable on June 22, 2010, 10:21:33 pm
man, I did not need to see The Fly at all.

But now I am obsessed with this weird joke where any time anyone asks me what a movie is about, I turn it into The Fly.

Well, you see, Elliot Ness is sent by the government to Chicago to fight the mob, during prohibition. He's struggling, but then he assembles this team of un-corruptable cops... things are going really well, but something slowly begins to change. At first he feels great: stronger, faster, smarter... but something is slowly changing. Something inside of him.

THE FLY.


Also: Weird Science was so stupid. I kept waiting for the part where they "learn their lesson." Instead, it was like, "hey, I fixed everything for you, now you have tons of friends and can fuck/love attractive women. It's all based on a lie, but, YOUR LIFE IS AWESOME NOW."
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Post by: jaydub on June 22, 2010, 10:37:11 pm
But Bill Paxton was pretty awesome as Chet.
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Post by: littlefallsmets on June 22, 2010, 11:01:31 pm
'Nev, I do the same thing with Dana Carvey's "Master of Disguise".
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Post by: Choop on June 23, 2010, 12:03:27 am
weird science is awesome in large part because it's so very much not awesome
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Post by: littlefallsmets on June 23, 2010, 12:16:18 am
I found the way that Weird Science managed to be the exact minimum of dirty for such a potentially dirty premise fascinating.

Teenage boys create a magical hot lady with their computer, Electric Dreams-style, and...

No. No. She's a PG-13 genie.
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Post by: Carlos del Vaca on June 23, 2010, 01:33:44 pm
Also: Weird Science was so stupid.

Weird Science was awesome.  When I was in TENTH GRADE.
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Post by: Arachno-capitalist on June 23, 2010, 11:14:28 pm
Has anyone here seen Happiness? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0147612/
By far the darkest movie I have ever seen. I'm talking darker than Requiem For A Dream. I don't even know of any friends I'd feel comfortable watching it with. The thing that really made it different though was that Requiem knocks you out for a day because its a bummer of a movie. Happiness, on the other hand, is a much more... cerebral (read: mindfuck) kind of deal.
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Post by: CortJstr on June 24, 2010, 12:21:13 am
Oh man, I used to watch the crap out of the Weird Science tv show when I was in middle school. Right after it was Duckman.

Oh man, you guys. Oh man.
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Post by: pmcd9 on June 24, 2010, 04:21:48 am
Has anyone here seen Happiness? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0147612/
By far the darkest movie I have ever seen. I'm talking darker than Requiem For A Dream. I don't even know of any friends I'd feel comfortable watching it with. The thing that really made it different though was that Requiem knocks you out for a day because its a bummer of a movie. Happiness, on the other hand, is a much more... cerebral (read: mindfuck) kind of deal.

Yeah, that movie fucked me up for a little while.  I think I should see it again.
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Post by: side_show on June 24, 2010, 02:56:52 pm
Happiness is pretty rad.  I have mentioned it before - specifically in regard to how the character in that film (Vladimir) is so much like Vlad, but hat this is likely more of a Russian stereotypes = shifty guy/automaton named Vlad.  The thing about Happiness is that every character in it is a loser, but a sort of masterfully realized loser.  I find that fascinating. 

The other Todd Solondz film I highly recommend is Welcome to the Dollhouse which in some aspects is even better than Happiness. It's a complex film, but one that is (on some levels) easier to watch.  You don't want to related to most of the characters in Happiness (even though you will), where as you can empathize with the main character in Welcome to the Dollhouse without it being personally humiliating to do so.